The Epistomological Impact of an Omnitemporal Eternity on Theological Paradigms.

biblicalthology.com ^ | 2000 | J.W. Carter

[P-Marlowe]

It seems to me that your interpretation of absolute predestination is correct. If God knows the future then the future is fixed. You'll get no argument from me. I would even go so far as to state that God has foreordained everything that has happened or will happen. But the question is whether or not that makes God the "cause" of all that happens. If so, then you must admit that God is the cause of all evil in the universe as much as he is the cause of all good.

How do you get around this problem? Or do you just accept it as a fact?

[RnMomof7]

He is the God of time OP ..a Omnitemporal BUMP..

[drstevej]

My sincerest apology CubicleGuy! BTW, YourGadfly has enjoyed your posts on the other site.

[CubicleGuy]

BTW, YourGadfly has enjoyed your posts on the other site.

For a second there, I almost thought you said "the other side".

There's a "Twilight Zone" episode for you: a website where you can type to dead people you know, and they send messages back.

[P-Marlowe]

Where Gods began to be?
Where Gods and matter end?

Why I am no longer a Mormon.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

_{BTW, if the #2 pencil is the most popular, why is it still #2?}

[drstevej]

***Why I am no longer a Mormon.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.***

Great post.

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Ever notice how irons have a setting for *permanent* press? I don't get it...
-- Steven Wright

[restornu]

Tyre, Sidon, and Sodom

Just think OP went you leave your abode and enter the spirit world you have a choice where to reside Tyre, Sidon, and Sodom

It will just be a Hovel away:)

[DouglasKC]

can't believe I wasted time to even read it. BTW, if you take this argument to its logical conclusion, then you must become an Absolute Predestinarian.

Thank you so much for pinging me to this fascinating piece mom...I appreciate it.

CC, what are you talking about?? The article is saying that God knows what's going to happen over time because he's outside of time. He leaves our choices up to us but knows what those choices will be. We are predestined only in God's eyes because he sees past present and future.

[DouglasKC]

Besides, time dilation has nothing to do with acceleration at different rates. It has only to do with velocity.
It would appear that Mr. Carter is neither a great theologian nor a great physicist.

But the guy is right on where it's important. God is outside of time. He is omnitemporal. Christ died so he could interact directly with humans if we only ask.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

It seems to me that your interpretation of absolute predestination is correct. If God knows the future then the future is fixed. You'll get no argument from me. I would even go so far as to state that God has foreordained everything that has happened or will happen.

Let's make certain that you do have my understanding of absolute predestination down correctly.

God not only "knows the future" of this timestream, He has omnitemporally foreknown all possible timestreams (an infinite number), each with different foreknown Ends (i.e., "Sodom repents" vs. "Sodom does not repent"), and God has specifically chosen to create THIS Creation/timestream (in which Sodom did not repent) rather than a differing foreknown Creation/timestream with different Ends (such as one in which Sodom would have repented).

True?? No argument??

If we can agree on that, I'll proceed to the issues of Theodicy.

[restornu]

BTW, if the #2 pencil is the most popular, why is it still #2?

Its like some people solf in the head:)

[drstevej]

Omnispeculative, IMO.

God outside of time foreseeing events is an Arminian vaariant. Whether He looks down or looks ahead is not materially different.

Biblically, God sees what He has purposed.

[restornu]

Where are you?

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Just think OP went you leave your abode and enter the spirit world you have a choice where to reside Tyre, Sidon, and Sodom It will just be a Hovel away:)

Unfortunately, your post is grammatically incoherent.

Feel free to try again...

[restornu]

Don't you that this is an obsession with OP Tyre and Sidon and Sodom I have hardly read a thread that he hasn't mention it! He is what a co heart would say-

STUCK TO CITY PLANING!

[P-Marlowe]

Oh, I understand. I don't really agree. He has foreordained the existence that we find ourselves in. Whether or not he is responsible for all that happens or whether he merely allows what happens is the mystery.

Deu 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Is God pleased at the suffering of starving children? Does God actually starve the children so that his purposes will be fulfilled? Or is this something He would prefer did not happen?

[P-Marlowe]

Biblically, God sees what He has purposed.

Does God purpose evil, or does God merely allow evil inasmuch as it serves his purpose?

_{"Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I mean I'd love to be skinny like that but not with all those flies and death and stuff." --- Mariah Carey}

[restornu]

Just think OP went you leave your abode BODY and enter the spirit world you have a choice where to reside Tyre, Sidon, and Sodom-

It will just be a Hover FLOAT over:)

[drstevej]

***Does God purpose evil,***

Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain.


Was the crucufuxion purposed or merely allowed?
Was the crucifixion evil?
Were those who crucified Him responsible for their evil action?
Was the crucifixion an evil action on God's part?

I conclude that God is absolutely sovereign and man is fully accountable. God purposed the event, yet He is not the blameworthy cause. Beyond this, I can not unscrew the inscrutible.

[drstevej]

P-Marlowe is an ex-Mormon
Rnmomof7 is an ex-Catholic
I am an ex-Arminian

Are there Freepers who are ex-Calvinists?