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An Experience Of The Neo-Catechumenal Way
"Christian Order" Magazine ^ | November, 1997 | D.J. Redfern

Posted on 08/02/2002 3:28:05 PM PDT by narses


An Experience Of
The Neo-Catechumenal Way

by D.J. Redfern
Neocatechumenal Way adherent for five years,
inc. one year in a Redemptoris Mater Seminary in Australia
From "Christian Order" Magazine, November, 1997

This paper has been written due to curiosity concerning the Neo-catechumenal Way among traditional Catholics. It contains my experience of the Neocatechumenate and is not intended to be an authoritative statement concerning this ever-growing phenomenon within the Catholic Church. I have begun with an explanation of certain aspects of the Neo-catechumenal Way and followed this with a thorough description of the liturgy of the Eucharist as celebrated by Neo-catechumenal communities. This particular element of the Neo-catechumenate has not been covered in commentaries on the Internet 1 and has been described here in some depth because it is thought to be of interest to Catholics who are closely associated with the treasure of the traditional Roman rite of Mass. It is hoped that the following material will provide the Christian Order reader with a clearer understanding of a group within the Church which is being accepted by an ever-increasing number of Catholics who are only too willing to forfeit their liturgical birthright for a bowlfull of lentil stew.

The Neo-Catechumenal Way, or Neocatechumenate (NC), is a movement within the Catholic Church which has its origins in the shanty towns of Madrid in the early 1960s. The founder, Mr. Kiko Argüello, a well known Spanish artist, decided to live in the shanty towns in his search for God: Armed with the Bible and a guitar, he found himself living amongst thieves, bandits, prostitutes and the like. With the passage of time he found that, by opening his Bible and proclaiming passages from Holy Scripture, people's lives began to change. He witnessed many conversions during his time in the shanty towns and this experience became the basis of the Neocatechumenate which was to follow. The first NC communities emerged in the shanty towns and these individuals were to become the first catechists of the 'Way'.

Aims of the Neocatechumenal Way
The Holy Father has recently stated that the Neocatechumenate is an itinerary of Catholic formation valid for our times and our society. It is initially a way of conversion for baptised Catholics from the age of 14 and upwards'. This concept is supported by the Catechism of the Catholic Church (n. 1231) when it refers to a 'post-baptismal catechumenate'. Communities of 30 to 50 people, well grounded in the Catholic faith, establish further communities within the parish and charisms such as catechists, missionaries and vocations to the religious life normally eventuate with the passage of time. These communities are meant to establish adult Christians and, eventually, the aim of the Neo-catechumenate is to bring lapsed Catholics back to a sacramental life and convert people of other denominations to the Catholic faith. Many individuals within NC communities are of the view that the NC is the future of the Church, but this view is strongly denied by the catechists themselves who state that the NC is not a secret sect but is a charism working for the greater good of Mother Church.

The Establishment of the Neocatechumenate in a Parish
I am not entirely sure in what manner the initial NC communities were established in Spain but, within a few years of its existence, Mr. Argüello, together with some catechists from some of the older NC communities of Spain, moved to Rome and the NC spread through Italy quite rapidly. After a period of time, these communities themselves contained individuals who felt called to spread the Good News to others. The NC is now present in over 80 countries around the world and many parishes are being 'transformed' by its presence. In Spanish speaking countries it is not unusual to find 15 to 20 communities within a single parish.

NC communities are never established within a diocese without the approval of the local ordinary. With his permission, the itinerant catechists approach priests, often by simply knocking on parish presbytery doors, and preach the Kerygma to them. They will often be given an opportunity to describe their own experiences of the Risen Lord through the NC Way and priests may be invited to have this same experience in their own parishes. Those priests who accept this invitation are told of some of the practical aspects of the NC and a catechesis is arranged for a suitable time. The catechesis itself is usually given on two nights of the week for approximately eight weeks. Details of this can be found on the Internet. At the end of this period, those present are asked to attend a weekend away, called a 'convivence.' Further catecheses on certain aspects of faith are provided at the convivence to prepare those in attendance for what is in stall. On the Saturday morning the catechists describe at some length the development of the Mass from patristic times to the present day. The primitive liturgy is presented in a positive light, whereby the catechists emphasise the Passover aspect of the sacred meal. The addition of different elements of the Mass throughout the centuries up until the Second Vatican Council are viewed by the catechists as things which detract from the essence of the Eucharist. They go on to state that the new order of Mass promulgated since the Council is more in line with primitive liturgical practice and that the NC liturgy (which is celebrated on the Saturday evening), itself a derivative of the new Mass, allows the Eucharist to shine in all its glory once again. At the conclusion of the convivence, the catechists ask whether anyone would like to continue this way of conversion they have already begun with the catechesis itself. Although most do not know exactly what this may entail, many do take up the offer and, if the catechesis has been particularly successful, a community will have been established. This being so, responsibles are elected for the community who will be left to organise practical matters within the community itself and provide a link between the community and the catechists, who are forever vigilant to ensure that the new community is faithful to the 'spirit of the Way.'

The liturgy of the Neocatechumenate takes three basic forms: the 'celebration of the Word', the 'penitential celebration' and the 'celebration of the Eucharist'. The following description of the celebration of the Word is the liturgy experienced by a new community member and will suffice for the purposes of this short paper. Derivatives of this celebration take place at later stages of the Way.

1. Celebration of the Word
The celebration of the Word is based on Mr. Argüello's experience in the slums of Madrid. It is celebrated once a week, normally on a Tuesday or a Wednesday night. Prior to the night itself, a designated group of the community, normally 3 to 5 people, meet to prepare the celebration. This involves a study of a particular theme in the bible, based on a reading of Leon- Dufour's Dictionary of Biblical Theology. By the end of this meeting, four readings are selected (one each from the historical books, the prophets, epistles and Gospels) for the meeting of the entire community. The celebration of the Word normally takes place in a room of suitable size such as a classroom or a parish hall. If a priest is present he will presided over the celebration itself. Otherwise, the head responsible of the community will lead the liturgy. The celebration begins with an introduction to the theme of the night, a procession song, and an invocation to the Holy Spirit: '0 my Lord, send your Spirit to renew the face of the earth.' The first three readings are introduced and proclaimed in turn, followed by a song. The Gospel is then introduced by a member of the preparation group and proclaimed by the priest (or the head responsible in his absence). A time of resonance follows the proclamation of the Gospel. The brothers and sisters of the community are invited, either by the priest or head responsible, to respond to the Word of God in view of their own experience. The priest will begin his homily after the resonances are completed. Following the homily, everyone is invited to stand for spontaneous prayers of the faithful and the priest (or responsible) ends this time with the sign of peace (a kiss on each cheek). A final blessing is given and the final song is sung.

2. Penitential Celebration
This is essentially a celebration of the Word which climaxes in a penitential rite. Following the proclamation of the Word the president often gives a homily and then begins the penitential rite itself with an opening prayer. If more than one priest is present, these will hear one another's confessions while the cantors begin singing songs of a penitential nature. Private confessions are then heard by the priests in the midst of the community. Each recipient of the sacrament of penance then goes back to his or her place and, if possible, does the Penance prescribed and then continues to sing with the community. At the completion of individual confessions, the president sings the 'penitential anaphora' and the 'sign of peace' is performed. The celebration ends with a final prayer and blessing and the priest(s) process out with a final song.

3. Celebration of the Eucharist
The NC celebration of the Eucharist is loosely modelled on the Novus Ordo Missae but has a number of elements which are peculiar to the NC. Certain parts of the New Mass have been either deleted or placed in a different location. Below is a detailed description of the NC celebration of the Eucharist. Any conservatively-minded Catholic would agree that the Council Fathers would never have envisaged such a liturgy within a few years following the end of the Second Vatican Council. The Sunday liturgy is celebrated on the Saturday night because, we were told, the Jewish Passover was always celebrated from the evening before the Sabbath. In addition, the NC liturgy is rarely celebrated in the normal place of Catholic worship because most churches, being built prior to the Vatican Council, do not necessarily accommodate the communal nature of the celebration. Community members are arranged in a horse-shoe shape around three sides of a large central 'altar' (which often consists of a number of tables joined together, covered with altar cloths and adorned with side candles, a candelabra and flowers). Behind the altar is a lectern from which introductions are made, certain songs are sung and the Word of God is proclaimed. The celebrant sits behind the lectern and may be flanked by an acolyte. The credence table is normally located to one side of the celebrant. The celebration of the Eucharist is prepared in a similar manner to that described above for the celebration of the Word, with the exception that the readings used are taken directly from the Missal.


Introduction of the Celebration. When the celebration is prepared, the designated brother or sister of the preparation group (who met on an earlier occasion to organise particular parts of the Eucharist) goes to the lectern and provides an introduction to the celebration. The purpose of this is to invite all who are present to enter fully into the celebration. 'Celebration' indicates the general mood of the liturgy itself.

Entrance Song. A cantor moves to the lectern to begin the song. The instruments used in the NC liturgy may include the following: classical guitars, charangos, mandolins, bongos, congos, tambourines, violins, flutes and brass. 2 If the song is a particularly joyous nature, the community will clap their hands in time with the rhythm of the song. The priest (with servers) process into the room and, under normal circumstances, reverences the altar and then proceeds to his chair. In the case of a solemn Mass in which a number of priests and servers are in attendance, the procession begins with the thurifer, followed by the cross bearer, candle bearers, other servers, priests, a priest (or deacon) wearing a humeral veil and carrying the book of Gospels above his head, and the main celebrant. The altar is incensed and the main celebrant takes his place at the president's chair. At the completion of the song(s), the Bible is placed on the altar.

Greeting. As per Novus Ordo Missae or with priest's own variation. If the celebration is one in which numerous communities have gathered for a particular occasion, the celebrant may be interrupted at this point by one of the catechists so that introductions may be made.

Penitential Rite. The celebrant normally uses his own (often ad-libbed) version of that in the Novus Ordo Missae. The Confiteor and Kyrie are said but the Gloria is seldom used outside the Easter season. The Opening Prayer is taken from the Missal.

First Reading. The designated brother or sister of the preparation group moves to the lectern and introduces the first reading. The introduction may consist of anything between a few simple words to a catechesis of 10 minutes or more, depending on the nature of the individual involved and the occasion being celebrated. The aim of the introduction is to invite the brothers and sisters of the community to listen to the Word about to be proclaimed. The reading is then proclaimed by one of the brothers or sisters of the community.

Responsorial Psalm. One of the cantors moves to the lectern with guitar in hand. The response to the Psalm is sung and the assembly responds before the cantor sings the first verse. A number of the Psalms have been placed into the official song book of the NC Way. If the Psalm for the particular Mass is included in this song book, the NC form of the Psalm is often sung in its place.

Second Reading. The second reading is introduced in the same way as the first. The Word of God is proclaimed, followed by the introduction to the Gospel.

Alleluia. A cantor rises from his/her seat and the Alleluia is sung at the lectern. At solemn Mass, candle bearers, thurifer and deacon (wearing humeral veil) move in procession to the main celebrant who places incense into the thurible. They process between the lectern and altar where the deacon takes the Bible from the altar and returns to the celebrant's side of the lectern. The Bible is incensed and the Gospel is sung. The Bible is then lifted by the priest who makes the sign of the cross with it in a similar manner as done during benediction of the Blessed Sacrament.

Time of Resonance. The celebrant invites those present to respond to the Word of God in the same way as explained earlier in the Celebration of the Word.

Homily. Given by celebrant following a suitable time of resonance. The Kerygma, or Good News, is the main emphasis of the_homily.

Creed. 3 The Profession of Faith is never said because of an antiquarian approach towards the liturgy. The Creed, being a later addition to the Mass, has been removed because the NC liturgy was devised in an attempt to return to primitive liturgical practice.

Prayers of the Faithful. One of the members of the preparation group moves to the lectern and prays for the needs of the Church, for the world, for those oppressed by suffering, and for the community. The latter category of prayer mainly includes prays for the NC communities in the parish, in the country and around the world, as well as prayers for the founders of the NC and blessings to God for 'the Way'. The assembly is then invited to pray aloud for their own intentions. The celebrant finishes the prayers of the faithful with his own prayer.

Sign of Peace. This takes the form of the 'holy kiss' referred to by St. Paul in his letter to the Romans (16:16) and is placed prior to the beginning of the Offertory. The celebrant invites everyone to offer one another the Sign of Peace. At this point the celebration can turn quite chaotic as people move around the room to greet one another with the 'holy kiss'. For some individuals the Sign of Peace can be the climax of the celebration

- an emotional experience in which they reconcile differences with other members of the community. At the same time, the Sign of Peace can be abused, particularly between the younger members of the community, in which greetings other than a Sign of Peace are made (such as smart remarks, etc). At this stage the candles (or oil wells of the candelabra) are lit.

Offertory. The beginning of the Peace Song marks the end of the Sign of Peace and, while people return to their places and sit down, the acolyte or head responsible of the community moves to the credence table and brings forward the gifts to the celebrant (or, in the case of a solemn celebration, a concelebrating priest) who has made his way to the altar. The priest places a large corporal on the altar, receives the bread (contained on a large, flat plate) from the server and, raising it slightly, says 'Blessed are you. Lord, God of all creation...' as per Novus Ordo. The bread used is unleavened and is prepared by a member of the community. It is roughly 20 to 30 cm in diameter and 7 to 10 mm thick with a cruciform design on both upper and lower surfaces. The priest then receives the chalice (already filled with wine) from the server and adds a small quantity of water to the chalice. In a similar manner, the priest raises the chalice and gives a short blessing. The chalice is usually a vessel with a capacity of about 1.5 litres so that Communion may be given under both kinds and so that everyone present may drink a reasonable volume of our Lord's Precious Blood. At celebrations in which more than one piece of bread and more than one chalice is required, additional plates and chalices are arranged around the large altar, the celebrant censes the altar and the gifts. The altar and gifts are incensed at this point of a solemn celebration.

Washing of Hands. 4 The Lavabo, an expression of the priest's desire to be cleansed within, has been omitted, probably because it is viewed that there is no longer a practical reason for this rite.

Orate, fraters. This prayer has also been omitted, presumably because of the mention of sacrifice. This may have been done for ecumenical reasons. However, a priest long associated with the NC Way once told me that the sacrificial nature of the Mass was a pre-Vatican II notion and not of particular concern today!

Prayer over the gifts. The celebrant returns to his place. A server brings the Sacramentary (or Sunday Missal) to the priest who says the prayer before moving again to the altar to begin the Eucharistic Prayer.

Preface. Although I may be mistaken, I can only recall three Prefaces being used - those of Easter, Advent and ordinary time.

Sanctus. This is sung but the words used often differ considerably from the official text. The assembly remains standing for the duration of the Eucharistic Prayer.

Eucharistic Prayer. The second Eucharistic Prayer or, more accurately, a derivative of the official text, is used at all times, most probably because this prayer is most acceptable to Protestants. I cannot remember the Roman Canon ever being used. The entire Eucharistic Prayer, including the Consecration, is sung by the priest with the accompaniment of a guitar (although some priests prefer to sing the words of Consecration without accompaniment). Immediately following each of the Consecrations, the priest elevates the sacred species to all present in a circular manner and, as the Body and Blood are passed in front of them, the assembly bows in reverence. As the celebrant genuflects the assembly bows profoundly.

Mysterium Fidei. The Mystery of Faith is proclaimed in words other than those in the official Mass text: 'We announce your death, 0 Lord. We proclaim your resurrection. Maranatha, Maranatha, Maranatha, Maranatha.' (i.e. Come Lord Jesus).

The Lord's Prayer and subsequent Doxology are done in accordance with the Novus Ordo but the Sign of Peace is truncated due to this rite being performed earlier.

Fractio Panis. The large piece of bread is broken into two pieces and again elevated. The assembly bows, sits down and the Communion song begins as the priest continues to break the bread into smaller pieces to be distributed to Communicants. The cruciform shape made on the upper and lower surfaces of the bread is meant to assist the priest in the breaking of bread. However, on many occasions the bread has not been cooked properly and the priest has to either use brute force to break the bread or, conversely, the bread shatters into a number of pieces. On more than one occasion have I had to clean up crumbs left on the altar cloths and the floor at the end of a celebration.

Agnes Dei. Has been omitted.

Communion. One of the more peculiar elements of the NC Liturgy is that the community remains seated to receive Communion on the hand only. On one occasion I saw a member of a young community who, kneeling to receive Communion on the tongue, was told to be seated and to place his hands out in front of him if he wished to Communicate! After receiving the Body of Christ on the hand, all Communicants refrain from eating until the priest returns to his place.
Ecce Egnes Dei. The priest returns to his seat and says 'This is the Lamb of God .... called to his supper. May the Body of Christ bring us to everlasting life. 'At this point all Communicants begin to eat their portions.

Domine, non sum dignus ... et sanabitur anima mea. This response has also been omitted from the celebration. I can not comment on why this omission has taken place but the attitude of the catechists seems to be that, no matter how sinful we are, if we have been invite to a meal we should eat. Hence, Spiritual Communion is not encouraged.

The priest is given the chalice (either by an acolyte or the responsible) and says 'May the Blood of Christ bring us to everlasting life.' He then distributes the Precious Blood, starting with any concelebrating priests and acolytes and then to the cantor, who begins the next Communion song as the priest moves around the assembly once again. There are two points of interest here. The first of these is that all of the bread that is consecrated must be consumed during the celebration. This is easily done if the community is large because there are sufficient numbers to consume any excess. However, I know of an instance in which less than a dozen people gathered for the Eucharist and were forced to consume quite large portions because someone had cooked enough bread to feed thirty or more people. Because of the 'slab' in front of each individual, the mainly young gathering giggled and laughed as they ate! The second point of interest is the relatively high chance of spilling the Precious Blood in this method of distributing Communion. Under normal circumstances (i.e. at the community level), the priest has the task of simply navigating his way down stairs and between rows of chairs in order to distribute Communion. But, in a Mass celebrated in the Cathedral of Perth, Australia, on the feast of the Assumption, 1996, I witnessed something beyond ridiculous. The catechists insisted that Communion be given under both species in the normal NC manner, meaning that the priests and acolytes had to distribute, not only the Body of Christ, but the Precious Blood to people in their pews! Another peculiarity of the NC is that it is not unusual, at least in the communities I have had association with, to see individuals chewing gum during the celebration of the Eucharist. I brought this disturbing fact to the attention of one of the priests who did nothing at all to rectify the problem.

During the distribution of the Blood of Christ the acolyte (or responsible of the community) removes the plate and corporal from the altar and returns it to the credence table. When the celebrant has finished distributing Communion, he returns the chalice to the credence table, covers the chalice with the purifier and returns to his place. The sacred vessels are purified only at the completion of the celebration. The celebrant says the post-Communion prayer after the end of the Communion song.

CONCLUDING RITE The concluding rite is identical to that of the Novus Ordo. When the priest gives the dismissal, a cantor moves to the lectern and begins the final song. The priest reverences the altar on his way in the normal manner. On special occasions the community will begin to dance around the altar once the priest has made his exit.

This short paper has focused on some of the more negative aspects of the NC Way. There are, however, some positive things that can be said about the NC Way, which is shown by the great number of people who have flocked to its ranks in recent years and by the many conversions that have taken place. This is not surprising when one considers the state of the post-conciliar Church. I have recently been told that the NC celebration of the Eucharist is now an official liturgy of the Catholic Church. Any educated Catholic would ask 'how is it possible that something of such a Protestant nature could be approved by Rome?' I can only say that it appears that the founders of the NC Way have a great deal of influence in the Vatican. After a five year period in the NC, one of those being spent in a Redemptoris Mater Seminary in Australia, I firmly believe that one cannot possibly experience anything remotely Catholic within the NC Way, despite what is often advocated by catechists within the Neocatechumenate. I am now convinced more than ever that an authentic Catholic life revolves around the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as celebrated in the traditional rites of the Catholic Church. 5


  1. Parishioners Against a Secret Church (PASCH) have a home page on the Internet which reveals a number of things about the NC. The address is http:/ /ourworld.compuserve.con)/homepages/ronald_haynes/
    If difficulties arise with finding this home page, do a search with the words 'Catholic' and 'neo'.

  2. Spanish guitars developed in medieval Spain from Oriental Models; they spread to other parts of Europe during the 17th century. Violins appeared in Europe in the 10th century. Known as fiddle, viéle and viola. By the end of the 16th century there was the viol and the violin. Mandolins were one of the descendents from the lute (of Oriental origin). They began in European Art music in the 18th century. (F.J.L.)

  3. "The Creed...appears in the liturgy of the Mass, first at Antioch in the fifth century, and in the sixth century at was, however, not until 1014 that it officially became a part of the Roman liyurgy,by a decree of Pope Benedict VIII..." (The Liturgy of the Mass", Dr. Pius Parsch, B. Herder Book Co., 1946 p. 151-2.) (F.J.L.)

  4. The "Washing of the Hands" was mentioned in the 4th century "Apostolic Constitutions." (F.J.L.)

  5. The above does not imply that the author (nor myself, F. John Loughnan) imply that the Rite is not a valid Rite of the Roman Catholic Church.

Christian Order Editor's Note: Readers may like to compare this personal testimony with Father Enrico Zoffoli's astonishing doctrinal expose of the NC Way, published in the April 1995 edition of Christian Order.

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Some Of The Melbourne Catechists Comments
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The Pope's Letter In Italian
The Alleged English Translation
Questionnaire On Reconciliation
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1 posted on 08/02/2002 3:28:05 PM PDT by narses
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2 posted on 08/02/2002 3:29:13 PM PDT by narses
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I won't go to a church with that stupid hippy music or the Eucharist stuffed into some room off to the side. I will continue to pray for reverence and a sense of sacredness to return back to the mass, but as with everything else, the problem stems from our culture. Nothing is sacred in society--except of course all things deviant--and it has translated over into how Mass is viewed.
3 posted on 08/02/2002 5:24:37 PM PDT by JMJ333
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I am unsure of what to make of this. It appears to be a "new" Rite of the Church. There is so much here to digest and it keeps coming back up.
4 posted on 08/02/2002 5:30:05 PM PDT by narses
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All I know aren't going to get me to dance around the altar no matter how special the occasion is.
5 posted on 08/02/2002 5:35:44 PM PDT by JMJ333
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Dancing at the altar just seems so pagan. I suppose that sounds very old fashioned of me, but no, I won't dance either.
6 posted on 08/02/2002 5:41:33 PM PDT by narses
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It is pagan sounding. It reminds me of an event that happened during the French Revolution--a mob gutted Notre Dame and set up an actress on the altar dressed up as Hecate, the goddess of reason, and proceeded to dance around the alter in a circle worshiping her. No kidding!
7 posted on 08/02/2002 5:44:39 PM PDT by JMJ333
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Ugh. In fact hurling ugh.
8 posted on 08/02/2002 5:49:43 PM PDT by narses
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"...go to a church with that stupid hippy music..."

J, you're describing my childhood.

I won't do hippy music anymore either.

9 posted on 08/02/2002 7:30:49 PM PDT by Desdemona
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It has to be an organ or some sort of string music or I can't seem to enjoy myself. I like a feeling of holiness to surround me---something that tamborines and guitars just doesn't do. Imagine when the monks used to do gregorian chants and hyms stirred the soul! I long for a return to the medieval.
10 posted on 08/02/2002 7:36:29 PM PDT by JMJ333
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I won't argue with you on a cappella. Definitely sends chills up your spine.
11 posted on 08/02/2002 8:15:43 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: narses
Quoting The Neocatechumenals

I know about the Neo-Catechumenal Movement. We have one at my local parish; and some of my friends even belong to it, despite my discouragement. It is Gnostic. Experiential. An immediate goal is to set up little cults within each parish; a long-term goal is to break up all parishes into small cells of 5 to a dozen people of "small faith communities" and to exist without priests or with priests rarely visiting each community!

12 posted on 08/02/2002 9:33:44 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: narses
There's a lot of information & links about the Neo-Catechumenal Movement at the blog Ad Orientem.
13 posted on 08/02/2002 9:37:43 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: narses
Excerpts of Secret Instructions for Neo-Catechumenal "Catechesis" From Founder Kiko Arguello

Neo-Catechumenal "Catechesis" Contrasted with Official Church Teachings

14 posted on 08/02/2002 9:47:15 PM PDT by Dajjal
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I have heard that Rome has approved of this. Is that correct?
15 posted on 08/02/2002 9:53:54 PM PDT by narses
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Doesn't sound like it would be endorsed by USCCB or the Holy See.
16 posted on 08/02/2002 9:55:06 PM PDT by Salvation
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If you want to sink your teeth into liturgical issues, here is an interesting set of them. Your thoughts?
17 posted on 08/02/2002 10:00:28 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses
Creed. The Profession of Faith is never said because of an antiquarian approach towards the liturgy. The Creed, being a later addition to the Mass, has been removed because the NC liturgy was devised in an attempt to return to primitive liturgical practice.

Washing of Hands. The Lavabo, an expression of the priest's desire to be cleansed within, has been omitted, probably because it is viewed that there is no longer a practical reason for this rite.

Orate, fraters. This prayer has also been omitted, presumably because of the mention of sacrifice. This may have been done for ecumenical reasons. However, a priest long associated with the NC Way once told me that the sacrificial nature of the Mass was a pre-Vatican II notion and not of particular concern today!

Agnes Dei. Has been omitted.

Domine, non sum dignus ... et sanabitur anima mea. This response has also been omitted from the celebration. I can not comment on why this omission has taken place but the attitude of the catechists seems to be that, no matter how sinful we are, if we have been invite to a meal we should eat. Hence, Spiritual Communion is not encouraged.

As "primitive" as the Novus Ordo is supposed to be, these people take the liturgy back even further, and play-act that they are "pure" "Early Christians."

At my parish, some of them may attend the regularly scheduled public Masses with the rest of the parishoners, but they will not communicate with everyone else. They will save that for Saturday evening, when they go down to the "basement/meeting hall" level of the church building, where they hold their own special Neo-Catechumenal Mass.

The Neo-Catechumenal Mass is not advertised on the plaque outside the church, nor in the bulletin. It is by invitation only! Someone who belongs has to "tap" you and "invite" you to this "special" liturgy.

It is a gnostic cult within the Catholic Church. The people I know are nice and all, and do hard work around the parish, etc. But there is a sort of glint in their eyes, like "we belong to a better, purer Church than you do!"

18 posted on 08/02/2002 10:17:11 PM PDT by Dajjal
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On the contrary -- this is very endorsed by the USCCB and the Vatican. Check out the info at Ad Orientem.
19 posted on 08/02/2002 10:18:55 PM PDT by Dajjal
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Neocatechumenal Way´s Statute Approved by Vatican

"Our Pope (and Cardinal Ratzinger) have given strong support to the NCW and the members of the NCW have been prominent, for example, in the World Day of Youth celebrations. "

They were major organizers of World Youth Day in Toronto.

20 posted on 08/02/2002 10:24:22 PM PDT by Dajjal
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