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To: ultima ratio
...who advocated disobedience even to the pope himself if he commands something harmful to the Church...

And there's the rub. Not many of us are qualified to determine whether something is or is not harmful to the Church. Notice all the people you mentioned are now saints..... Do those of us who would criticize the Pope rise to that level? Based on what I read here on FR, there actually are one or two people who might. The rest of us are just ignorantly squawking.
338 posted on 07/26/2002 11:26:16 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
We are all called to be Saints. Nor is the measure brains (if it were, there are certainly some saintly people here). :)
343 posted on 07/26/2002 11:34:19 AM PDT by narses
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To: Antoninus
Not many of us are qualified to determine whether something is or is not harmful to the Church.

I agree, myself included.

However, we are all qualified to view the present crisis and discern its roots.

Every orthodox Catholic knows the current scandal revolve around laxity in sexual morality, and particularly homosexuality.

All of us agree this is harmful to the Church.

The evidence is too overwhelming to argue otherwise.

Some few lay people, Michael Rose for instance, have attempted to take a closer look.

For this, the "establishment" Catholic media and Catholic commentators like Steve Hand have eviscerated Rose.

This is frustrating, especially when those critics use slurs regarding the company Rose and others keep to discredit the facts instead of acknowledging the underlying crisis and the Truths Rose has revealed.

356 posted on 07/26/2002 11:55:56 AM PDT by Polycarp
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