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To: ArrogantBustard
#47 isn't your post, it is sitetest's.

Yes, of course, I know that, I wanted you to read what he said about that Chapel in Virginia.

Why don't you grow up, and admit that some Traditionalists are poor exemplars of Christian Charity, and that I had the misfortune to encounter a group of them.

Some Catholics, some Protestants, some Jews, are also not perfect templates for their religions. Grown-ups know that. It is the child and the immature adult who reacts precipitously, emotionally and without reason. And one does not blanket-condemn, as you do, because of the weak links. Your hatred for the SSPX is pathological and based on one experience which I doubt the veracity of. You paint the whole Society with your broad brush of vileness. Is everyone perfect in the Church you attend?

you've heaped calumny upon my head.

Go back and read your gentle, kind posts to me, Arrogant, and then decide who is guilty of calumny. I tried to inject some humor into this discourse, but you're too filled with anger and a sense of your own absolute righteousness to notice.

I went there for Sunday Mass.

It is difficult to believe that you could have attended a beautiful, dignified, traditional Mass and that you left filled with such hatred and bile. Strange that you hung around a church you had never been to before and engaged the people there in conversation. Doesn't ring true to me. And we both know that they never told you that you were going to hell if you attended a NO Mass. That never happened. Fess up, Arrogant.

And by the way, you said, I've already found errors in your post. Please point out those errors.

60 posted on 07/22/2002 11:29:09 AM PDT by Orual
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To: Orual
And one does not blanket-condemn,

There, sir, is your primary error. I "blanket condemned" no-one. Re-read my post #10. I went to a Traditionalist chapel, which up until today I had no reason to believe was anything other than SSPX. (I find out today that the priest may have been SSPV.) Neither the priest nor the faithful were exemplars of Christian Charity, to say the least. I say this to point out that the modernists, upon whom I have spent much time verbally beating, have no monopoly on problems with the Mass. I never said or implied that all, or even many or most SSPX (or SSPV or any other) Traditionalists exhibit such behaviour. You attempt to impute to me some sort of pathological hatred for the SSPX. At that I have to laugh; it's preposterous. I almost, but not quite, agree with you guys.

strange that you hung around a church you had never been to before and engaged the people there in conversation.
ROFL. You're not very curious, are you. I was amazed, shocked, and fascinated. I was trying to find out what, exactly, I had wandered into. The people were quite willing to talk, although the content of their conversation might best be summed up as "If you don't get out of that false novus ordo church, you're gonna go to HELL!!!". Again, I speak the truth. It's becoming increasingly clear that you can't handle the truth. Pity.

And we both know that they never told you that you were going to hell if you attended a NO Mass. It's quite clear that you know nothing. Again, by your own admission, you weren't there. You have absolutely no idea what the man said. When the priest claims from the pulpit that the NO Mass is a false mass, and does not satisfy the "Sunday Obligation", and that attending it is a mortal sin, you don't forget. He was claiming that I (not I personally, he didn't know me from Adam) had committed a mortal sin every Sunday of my life since I had been a small child.

You wrote, in #44 " Chapel which has magically transformed to a Diocese Chapel".
That statement is demonstrated to be erroneous by several sources, which tell us that the DDR acquired the chapel in 1992, 5 years after I visited it, when the parishoners wanted to reunite with Rome. The rest of your posts constitute fact free invective.

Orual, at this point I am convinced that continuing to debate with you is pointless. I have recounted the facts a 15 year old incident. I have nothing further to add, and nothing whatever to subtract from my account. Unless and until you can demonstrate that, in 1987, "Our Lady of the Rosary Chapel" in Chesapeake Virginia, now known since 1992 as "St. Benedict Chapel", had no connection to the Society of Saint Pius X, I have nothing further to say to you on this topic. You, on the other hand, owe me an apology. You have born false witness against me repeatedly. I have no hope of receiving that apology, but I forgive you anyway.

May God abundantly bless you, may His Face shine upon you, and at the end of a long and fruitful life may you receive your eternal reward of the Beatific Vision.

AB

61 posted on 07/22/2002 12:20:10 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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