[AndrewC]

And that designer ain't God.

Great comeback, I'm impressed..... NOT!. You're not even a challenge. The same old stuff. "Because I or Don Lindsay say so you are wrong" is your total repertoire. Woese(although he is probably wrong), Shapiro, Behe, Gee, Venter, etc. etc. etc. Although they are not all what you term IDers, they all know that something in biology stinks. The only thing there at the moment is Darwin(as you all seem to point out), so guess what is rotting.

[VadeRetro]

That designer (YOUR designer) not only isn't God, he's barely good.

Why did it take so long to move on from bacteria to cells with nuclei? HE--the real HE--could do more than that in six days, I heard once. What are all these extinctions? What are all these unfit creatures your cheap knockoff of evolution says have to die. Why? Because HE couldn't make them right to begin with!

Yes, you can make a creation theory that mimics evolution. But it won't make your church doctrine into science anytime soon.

[Kevin Curry]

They love to make bald statements of fact they cannot back up. When challenged, they pretend not to hear the question, or they employ personal and private definitions that "make" their assertions true.