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15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense [THE FINAL DEBUNKING]
Scientific American ^ | 17 June 2002 | John Rennie

Posted on 06/17/2002 3:10:50 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: jlogajan
Are you working to debunk him on this forum? I have never denied the existence of evolution in small terms. You have, however, denied the practice of faith as not using ones brain.
61 posted on 06/17/2002 6:07:40 AM PDT by smith288
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To: Physicist
... if I reject science for faith,...

Why would you do that?

62 posted on 06/17/2002 6:08:22 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: ShadowAce
Because the theory of evolution actually says that only failures evolve.

No, evolution is chance mutation and natural selection. Mutation can produce variations in abilities. Competition can sort out variations -- who gets the food, who gets the mate, who avoids being eaten before he can reproduce.

63 posted on 06/17/2002 6:09:30 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: smith288
I'm an atheist, so I naturally question the assertions of the religious faithful. But it has nothing really to do with evolution other than the fact that religionists always seem to tie everything to religion -- hence the broadening of the topic.
64 posted on 06/17/2002 6:11:41 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: ShadowAce
Why would you do that?

Perhaps someone will frighten me into it someday with their stories about "lakes of fire" and the like. I suspect that almost all faith is ultimately born of fear.

65 posted on 06/17/2002 6:11:57 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: PatrickHenry
Rebuttal ommitted to save space.
66 posted on 06/17/2002 6:12:00 AM PDT by kidd
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To: LadyDoc
Both Creationists, who deny Darwin, and Darwinians, who oppose creationists, are fundamentalists. But unless one studied the Philosophy of science, you can't tell why both their arguments are based on unproven suppositions.

Good answer. I especially liked this part, too:

It is assuming that scientists, like the religious leaders of old, are both infallible and have the ability to rule the rest of us.

Who will rule us? Truth be told, this is what it's all about. Power to shape our laws, our culture, and even the moral fiber of the world, this is what the fundamentalist evolutionists are after. In other words, they want a world of their own creation.

67 posted on 06/17/2002 6:12:47 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: jlogajan
Actually the intellectual death of conservatism will be when the fundies win and drive out everyone who believes in the validity of science as a means to understand reality.

Typical evolutionist rant - beating up on non-existent strawmen. Most scientists believe in God and they do not consider their profession inimical to their religion.

Further, it must be added, that evolution is the anti-science. Science is about discovering the truth, evolution is about discovering justifications for its theory. Science is undirected, evolution tries to direct science for an ideological purpose.

69 posted on 06/17/2002 6:14:43 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: Physicist
I suspect that almost all faith is ultimately born of fear.

It has been my considerable (multi-decade) experience arguing with religionists that it is indeed fear at the base of their faith. They talk love on the surface, but fear eternal hell and vengence most of all.

70 posted on 06/17/2002 6:15:48 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Physicist
... if I reject science for faith,...

My point was that both exist. There is no need to reject one for the other. I am an ardent fan of science. But I am also realistic enough to know it doesn't come close to explaining our natural history yet.

71 posted on 06/17/2002 6:16:18 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: jlogajan
They talk love on the surface, but fear eternal hell and vengence most of all.

Mind-reading is one of your occupations huh? I have no fear of what you speak. Love is sometimes very difficult to display especially when the object is so vehemently dislikeable. The fact that even under those circumstances love does shine forth is evidence for what you do not see. I would write God bless you to you, but I will show love and not.

72 posted on 06/17/2002 6:21:51 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: jlogajan
Religionists? Of course everything is tied to our faith. Its how we run. Im not so egotistical to rule out anything that doesnt categorically fit the "religionist" ideology however. When can you say that a greater being may have a hand in all there is, has been and what will be?

Proclaiming anyone who has a faith in a greater being is not using their brain makes it apparent that you have no standing in that remark.

73 posted on 06/17/2002 6:22:56 AM PDT by smith288
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To: Deutsch
You trust there is a GOD, but not enough to believe he gave us the Bible (without error).

So you believe that we should kill homosexuals, that slavery is okay, that you shouldn't wear clothing of mixed threads, that women are "unclean" every month, etc. These are all in the Bible.

74 posted on 06/17/2002 6:22:58 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Gurn
What never ceases to amaze me is that on a supposedly conservative web forum, there are a handful of godless pagans who delight in stirring up trouble, and continually posting this heathen bulls---.

Your statement here mirrors my thoughts on this as far as FR is concerned.

The number of those who believe in evolution here is a fraction of one percent (not all evolutionists are atheists, however). So this in my mind begs the question: What is the purpose of the continuous posting of evolution threads amongst the supermajority of those who do believe in a Creator?

In my opinion, it is nothing but a mechanism to stir up trouble and put their thumb in the eye of the believer. These threads have absolutely nothing to do with conservatism, and if you would notice, the evo/crevo threads only have a handful of posters who delight in this type of thread and nothing else. I say evolution is nothing more than a theory and those who believe in it (at least the atheistic believers) must convince themselves daily that there is no God. If their "science" proves that there is no God, why get in a twist over the subject?

JimRob permits it, so my opinion of the threads being here is moot. However, the real motives behind these things are obvious.

Carry on, everybody. I could use some good laughs from time to time, and these threads never fail to provide those laughs.

75 posted on 06/17/2002 6:25:33 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: AmericaUnited
How many times has man arrogantly believed that his science can explain everything? A true scientist reallizes that there are still unkowns out there and often, when a new breakthrough is made, a whole set of earlier 'science rules' have to be trashed and replaced with new findings.

To think we're at the apex right now and everything that doesn't fit the current mold must be false is a ludicrous idea. Reminds me of the fact that they once closed down the U.S. Patent Office because they thought every possible invention had already been created.

76 posted on 06/17/2002 6:26:31 AM PDT by capt. norm
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To: F16Fighter
I'll stoop over a microscope and rest assured that somehow an ameoba is my evolutionary cousin.

A question which I never hear evolutionists answer is why if evolution goes on all the time, if evolution occurs because species must adapt to survive, why are amoebas, such simple creatures, still around after some billion years? Why if evolution goes on all the time, these creatures remain simple and unchanged?

77 posted on 06/17/2002 6:27:33 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: PatrickHenry
From the article

In short, creationists are not giving the scientific world good reason to take them seriously.

Why then this article?
78 posted on 06/17/2002 6:30:32 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: jlogajan
"So you believe that we should kill homosexuals, that slavery is okay, that you shouldn't wear clothing of mixed threads, that women are "unclean" every month, etc. These are all in the Bible."

Wow...you really dont have a clue about Christianity do you? You are so far gone you think we hate homosexuals. We love them but hate their sin. BIG difference in your imaginary world of what you want Christianity to be. Maybe you should attend my church? And please show me where God tells me to murder homosexuals as opposed to a story of morality and Gods justice on those who turn from him after chance after chance to repent.

79 posted on 06/17/2002 6:34:33 AM PDT by smith288
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To: jlogajan
On the other hand creationists routinely claim that Darwin is inconsistent with there being a god.

He certainly denies the Bible specifically. He denies that God is the Creator of man. Darwin was also an atheist and toyed around with the idea of also saying that God did not create life. However, he found trying to prove such as too hard so he left it up to others to make the conclusion. It should be noted that of the outspoken spokesmen for evolution there is not a single religionist. They are all (or were, many are dead already) atheists.

80 posted on 06/17/2002 6:36:43 AM PDT by gore3000
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