And this from a man who had been a vegetarian his whole life?
First off it's pure speculation on your part that Noah was a vegetarian. There is no biblical record of what he ate. I think the evidence is better that he ate meat.
When you use the argument that not all herbs were good for food, it was up to man to figure out which ones were and which ones weren't, the same way God allowed Noah to discover which animals were the best for him.
Here's an interesting fact:
"Wheat was thought to have first been domesticated about 8,000 B.C. in the Fertile Crescent, an area that crosses parts of modern day Iraq, Iran and Jordan. "
This is an interesting time period and area. Do you think God could have created certain types of plants, domesticated wheat for one, and instructed Adam and Eve on how to till and eat it? I know it's speculation, but I think it's more plausible biblically then people experimenting and figuring out what plants killed them and made them sick...
What green herb could a man eat, that would kill him instantly ? Man didn't gobble down everything that was green just because it was green, he tasted it first, or else he observed whether animals ate it or not.
Look at these verses:
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
God is specifically telling them what kind of herbs to eat here. The "herb of the field". The next verse specifically says "bread" which is made from wheat, a herb of the field.
"Herb", or Strongs number 6212, is defined:
From an unused root meaning to glisten (or be green); grass (or any tender shoot): - grass, herb.
So God didn't tell them they could eat any plant, but specifically grasses of the field.
I suppose that might cover a lot of plants though. Anything that is considered a grass, like wheat, barley, bamboo, etc. There might even be poisonous grasses..I don't know.
But God narrowed it down ever further in verse 19. He tells them they are going to eat bread. I guess we know what kinds of plant can be used to make bread. And since God didn't have to explain to Adam and Eve what "bread" was they must have already been eating it.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
So I just showed you that God specified what types of plants Adam and Eve were going to eat when they were kicked out of the garden. As he specified what kinds of plants to eat, he also specified what kinds of animals to eat...those that were designated as clean.
Facts? Lol, and you called mine speculation? Why was it you chose to ignore……………. Genesis 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat:
It seems to me Doug, that just as you determine what Jewish laws you care to keep, you do the same thing with every scripture that goes against your philosophy as well.
The first chapter of Genesis gives 31 verses about creation. God created, And the Spirit of God moved, And God said, And God saw the light, and God divided the light, which are just a few of the 27 times it uses the term “and God” and what He declared.
Which of these 27, “and God’s,” do you disagree with besides the one that authorized man to eat only every herb bearing seed, and every tree and it’s fruit of the tree yielding seed?
Why did you choose that particular verse to disagree with? How’s about the next one that God declared every beast, every fowl of the air, and the creeping things would also eat every green herb for food?
V-30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
It was so. No changes, done deal.
First off it's pure speculation on your part that Noah was a vegetarian. There is no biblical record of what he ate. I think the evidence is better that he ate meat.
Genesis 1:29 & 30 are not speculation Doug, and before you use that term, please spin this scripture out of your way first, and while your at it, explain why God would tell us that He gave man herbs and fruits for food, but neglected to tell us it was alright to eat animal flesh?
Here's an interesting fact:
"Wheat was thought to have first been domesticated about 8,000 B.C. in the Fertile Crescent, an area that crosses parts of modern day Iraq, Iran and Jordan. "
This is an interesting time period and area. Do you think God could have created certain types of plants, domesticated wheat for one, and instructed Adam and Eve on how to till and eat it? I know it's speculation, but I think it's more plausible biblically then people experimenting and figuring out what plants killed them and made them sick...
More speculations and I thinks, which have nothing to do with what God authorized man to eat. God taught them how to tend the garden. Who better then God could tell them how to separate plants into their own areas, just as any gardener today will do. If you missed out on living on a farm, I can explain how much easier it is to take care of specific grains when they are all uniform in their own separate plot.
Look at these verses: Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
I’m looking, and I’m surprised you didn’t use Strong’s Hebrew on the rest of the scripture. Verse 19 God said. In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,Strong’s uses the word “food” rather then bread, SHN Strong's Ref. # 3899
Romanized lechem - Pronounced lekh'-em
from HSN3898; food (for man or beast), especially bread, or grain (for making it):
KJV--([shew-])bread, X eat, food, fruit, loaf, meat, victuals. See also HSN1036.
God wasn’t telling Adam, that all he could eat were herbs from now on, He was telling him what he could expect from now on when raising food to eat, especially herbs or green vegetables. In other words God told him from now on you’ll have to learn to cultivate and pull weeds.
God said nothing about all sources of food, and since some of them were tree bearing fruits and seeds, such as nuts and figs and etc., the curse didn’t seem to cover them unless the briers and such made it difficult to get to them.
God is specifically telling them what kind of herbs to eat here. The "herb of the field". The next verse specifically says "bread" which is made from wheat, a herb of the field.
"Herb", or Strongs number 6212, is defined:
From an unused root meaning to glisten (or be green); grass (or any tender shoot): - grass, herb.
So God didn't tell them they could eat any plant, but specifically grasses of the field. I suppose that might cover a lot of plants though. Anything that is considered a grass, like wheat, barley, bamboo, etc. There might even be poisonous grasses..I don't know.
But God narrowed it down ever further in verse 19. He tells them they are going to eat bread. I guess we know what kinds of plant can be used to make bread. And since God didn't have to explain to Adam and Eve what "bread" was they must have already been eating it.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
So I just showed you that God specified what types of plants Adam and Eve were going to eat when they were kicked out of the garden. As he specified what kinds of plants to eat, he also specified what kinds of animals to eat...those that were designated as clean.
Oh my goodness, You completely ignore Gen 1:30, you ignore Gen 3:19, that the word bread means “food,” which covers every possible kind of food there is, You forget that If Noah was perfect in his generation, then he must have offered over 1200 animal sacrifices of the clean animals God specified in his 600 years of life, which explains why he understood what God meant when He said clean animals. Gen 6:9
Then you overlook that God gave him permission to eat….Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things, Gen 9:3 then you don’t bother telling me why God would make an announcement to Noah and his sons that they could now eat of every moving thing that lives, if they were already eating animal flesh prior to the flood.
If Noah was perfect, but had been eating animals of any type, then God must have winked at His command in Gen 1:30, that men were given only the herbs and seed bearing trees to eat.
You have not one substantive suggestion that man ate meat between Adam and Noah, then you pick the word “bread” out, and try to build a case on it, with out bothering to read in Strong’s, that bread means food period, not only baked flour and water bread.
Romanized lechem
SHN - |3899| food. from HSN3898; food (for man or beast), especially bread, or grain (for making it):
KJV--([shew-]) bread, X eat, food, fruit, loaf, meat, victuals. See also HSN1036.
Now notice Genesis 6
Genesis 6:21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them. The same food that Noah and his family was to eat, was the same food the animals were to eat.
Food for thee, and for them………………Now unless they were taking other animals aboard strictly as a food source for the animals God said to save, then Noah took only grain and grown foods since God noted they would both, “man and animal” be eating the same thing.
I believe my post was a little overkill, considering your whole argument was on the word bread, but I don'’ mind, I need the practice. :-)
if you believe in your heart that men ate clean animals from Adam, to Noah, then to Sinai, then God told Israel they could now continue eating clean animals, then you should be able to come up with atleast one scripture which supports that belief.
Deuteronomy 5:3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
Please, address all the points, and especially the scripture, I have made here before you find another word that you hope will make a little smoke.
Th th th tha tha that’s all folks, g-nite……JH