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To: gore3000
At best (or rather worst) it seems that he is stating that the weak be allowed to die or at the very least not given assistance to reproduce, not that we kill them ourselves -- and in fact I don't even see him arguing in favour of that, he's just expanding on the consequences of a population where the less adapted are still able to survive and reproduce.

Eugenics is not darwinistic or a logical conclusion of evolution because it puts human in charge of deciding what traits are best adapted for humanity. Natural selection theory states that the "best" (most adapted for an environment) organisms in a population will be the ones to survive and pass on their genetic information simply because they are the ones able to survive, not because someone should round up and kill off all of the others.

In fact, the whole of that chapter, in context (I went and read it), seems to be Darwin's concern is that humans as a species will make themselves "weaker" through their actions of insuring that even those with weak constitutions survive to marry -- especially in times of war when the "strongest" of the populace are sent to die early while the weaker, not allowed in the service, are able to stay at home to marry and propigate. It's not an illogical statement, but it's philisophy (deciding what is "best" for humanity), not science -- and nowhere in the chapter does he offer a "solution" for the "problem".
444 posted on 03/29/2002 8:18:08 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
Eugenics is not darwinistic

You keep denying what I have already given you proof of. Here it is again from post#132 so that all can see how evolutionists keep trying to cover up the truth by the repetition of lies:

With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.
From: Darwin, "The Descent of Man", Chapter V.

542 posted on 03/30/2002 11:51:14 AM PST by gore3000
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