What About The Sabbath

The Reason For My Faith ^ | 3/3/24 | Chuck Ness

[Carry_Okie]

It was actually Exodus 16:23 when first mentioned. Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD has said: 'Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the LORD. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.' " I wasn't talking about when it was first mentioned. You are citing instructions on preparations for the Sabbath, not for the Sabbath Day itself. They do however imply attributes of the Sabbath Day, in that one should not be cooking, as that is indeed a form of work. I should have said "instructions for."

The point remains that the article says Yeshua kept the Mosaic Law, where this demonstrates that, in this important inatance, He did not (at least in terms of plain meaning). One could cite Rav Shaul's teachings about what is done in love per G-d's instructions (as opposed to rigid or self-righteous compliance), but that's dancing around the question with regard to the tenor of the article.

[OneVike]

God (Christ) calls eating unclean meat an abomination. He says to obey the dietary law that we may be holy, because He is holy

Wow, you really missed Peter vision's didn't you? Acts 10:10-20

And Paul's teaching in 1 Corinthians 10:23-33, where he said eat anything you desire, UNLESS it will cause a weak brother to stumble due to his weak faith.

Thus I will eat all, but if I am with you I will only eat kosher food, lest I cause you to stumble do to your weak faith

I say to you, ask Jesus to strengthen your faith, so you can be free from the condemnation of the law.

[Philsworld]

Even the Catholics know that there is not one single command in the bible or shred of evidence to keep Sunday, or any other day, other than the 7th-day Sabbath.

The bible says keep the 7th-day-Sabbath. Catholics say they changed the day to Sunday. Anyone keeping Sunday obeys the Catholic church and that is where their allegiance lays.

Rome’s Challenge: Why do Protestants keep Sunday?
https://www.romeschallenge.com/downloads/RomesChallenge.pdf

[DouglasKC]

This was under Gods orders. Of course they were blameless. There is a BIG difference in that and the preacher(or priest) that declares to the congregation "We are going to discontinue Sunday worship from now on and follow Gods Commandments. See you next Saturday." Now truthfully, how would the denomination react to that? The denomination would kick them to the curb and the church would think he's nuts and have nothing more to do with him.

That is exactly right. Most of Christinaity has been so decieved about this that they would gladly finacially execute any Sunday preacher who dared to support the Sabbath of the Lord Jesus Christ.

[Philsworld]

——>Wow, you really missed Peter vision’s didn’t you? Acts 10:10-20

What did I miss?

[OneVike]

You fail to read everything. Jesus and the disciples at the time had to follow all the laws, both ceremonial and doctrine because Jesus had not yet died and freed us from them.

His teachings though are there for us to learn from. Thorough His sacrificial death and resurrection we are free from the Law, and those teachings I shared prove it.

[BipolarBob]

In what version of the Bible??????

All versions. The Sabbath was a memorial to Creation. Genesis 2:3. So God placed Adam and Eve on this earth but gave them no instructions of diet, hygiene, worship duties and civil duties regarding theft, lying, murder or anything? Is that what you really really deep down believe? If there is no law, there is no sin. Did God owe Cain an apology for not making it clear that murdering Abel was a no-no? This defies reason and our God is a reasonable God and foresees the future before it happens. Of course there laws. Cain did not plead ignorance on this.

[metmom]

Law keeping.....

Galatians 3:1-11 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”

Abraham, of whom no record exists of him ever keeping the Sabbath, and who never kept the Law, since it did not exist until hundreds of years later.

[OneVike]

You totally misread that. Even Jesus pointed out that. The reason He stated it was because Jesus is the Sabbath.

Plus, again, you conflate teachings of Israelites and Jews to teachings of Christians.

The new covenant under Christ that freed us from the law and ceremononies did not start until Jesus died,

[OneVike]

Amen

[Philsworld]

——>You really despise them, don’t you?

Sure seems that way.

Jesus Heals on the Sabbath

(Matthew 12:9-14; Luke 6:6-11)

1And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand. 2And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him. 3And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth. 4And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace. 5And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other. 6And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.

[Zuriel]

If one does not cross the ‘Red Sea’, then nothing else matters one way or the other.

[dfwgator]

Sundays are now associated with NFL Football. But there was a time when Sunday sports was a no-no in this country.

The Battle for Sunday Baseball
https://www.libertymagazine.org/article/the-battle-for-sunday-baseball

[BipolarBob]

Wow, you really missed Peter vision's didn't you? Acts 10:10-20

Hoo boy. Here we go again. Was Peters vision about food OR about what we consider to be unclean which God has declared clean? In this case Gentiles. Scum of the earth with no pathway to Heaven or so thought strict Jews. God is telling Peter that Gentiles have a place in Gods Heaven too. He needed it because it was ingrained since childhood that Gentiles (incl. Samaritans) were inferior.
So you are the one that really missed the deeper message of Peters vision. The mote in your eye obscured it no doubt.

[OneVike]

Sadly yes, but what would you expect from the secular World.

That being said, I am free to worship God any day of the week. I can do it on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, or Saturday if I wish.

Thanks to Jesus, I am not forced to do it on any special day.

Heck, I spend 2 to 3 hours 7 day a week early in the morning before the world has a chance to get in my head so I can read the Bible and worship God.

[metmom]

Sabbath keeping is only ONE of the Ten Commandments.

Those who demand Sabbath keeping as required for salvation because it's part of the Ten Commandments, seem to forget that they are 9 other Commandments that people constantly break as well. And they are ALL important to God.

James 2:10-11 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

If someone is to be condemned for not keeping the Sabbath because it's part of the Ten Commandments, they need to keep in mind that they stand condemned for not keeping the rest of them.

And good luck with #1 and #2......

Then there's *Do not steal*, *Do not lie*, *Honor your father and mother*, *Do not covet......*.

Ooops.......

[Philsworld]

——>The new covenant under Christ that freed us from the law and ceremonies did not start until Jesus died.

Freed us from ceremonies yes, the law, no. Why would Luke write this 50-60 years after the fact if what you are saying is true about the law/commandments? Christ was dead, the new covenant now applied, yet the women kept the Sabbath ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT.

Luke 23:55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how His body was placed. 56Then they returned to prepare spices and perfumes. And they rested on the Sabbath, according to the commandment.

[OneVike]

I knew that would get you.

So you don’t eat everything like Paul did?

Paul even chastised Peter for separating himself from the Gentile believers, and acts 15.

You sure are determined to be a Jew ain’t you?

I bet you sneak off an spend Saturdays in a synagogue to worshipper, don’t you?

Remember, follow one law you better follow them all.

Not my words, Paul’s in Galatians. You being like the foolish Galatians.

Paul asks you too, “Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— “

I ask, because you are so wanting to follow the Mosaic Laws.

[Big Red Badger]

I agree with you on the Sabbath...
Every day is a Sabbath to me.
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Should have a hundred posts today.
It’s a bit of a controversial subject.

[DouglasKC]

You totally misread that. Even Jesus pointed out that. The reason He stated it was because Jesus is the Sabbath.

That wasn't a teaching or an understanding of the people in the bible. It came hundreds of years later.

Plus, again, you conflate teachings of Israelites and Jews to teachings of Christians.

I don't think I am. I think you're following a belief system that has made the word of God to no effect.

The new covenant under Christ that freed us from the law and ceremononies did not start until Jesus died,

What was changed under the new covenant is VERY specifically defined especially in the book of Hebrews...the priesthood is changed, animals sacrifices are no longer needed because the death of Christ covered that. But no mention of the Sabbath being substituted or done away with. In fact the actions of Paul and the first chrisitians gathering together on the Sabbath is refutation of that Satanic lie. And the Sabbath is not just a ceremony. And though it can and is included in covenants it clearly was created long BEFORE it was incorporated into any covenant. It exists OUTSIDE of any covenant.

Someone has convinced you that a commandment of God is an optional ceremony. You need to go by the bible and not tradition.