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To: Ezekiel; Elsie; Ancesthntr; Faith Presses On

Elsie— you can check here for your Torah-mandated responsibilities: noahide.org

Zeke! I actually didn’t see this post as at that time I was fully engrossed in the written and oral Biblical laws of Passover preparations-—

BUT— Haven’t you heard the Midrash that David was not present because his father wouldn’t allow it— as he (David) was rejected? And wow what a story! Rejected because he was presumed to be illegitimated! Even maasu habonim hayisa l’ROSH PINA... the stone the builders rejected became the head stone! If you haven’t heard, I’ll find it for you. It’s the story of Jesse separating from his wife when he doubted his own bloodline....because perhapd Ruth COULDN’T HAVE converted to Judaism?!

Ancesthtnr— 2.5 billion Christians can’t be wrong, right? Of course there are 45,000 interpretations.... Which is right?

Who said the Messiah will perform miracles? Who said he’s a deity (G-d forbid) who said he’d come again? who said he atones for sin at all—let alone for the world? Who said he comes through faith (abrogating, G-d forbid, the Torah and mitzvos that the gentiles can’t understand as literal connections to the One Above...not burdensome “Law” that must be performed under pain of death....)

And most fascinatingly, who said there aren’t perfect people? We call them Tzadikim— they’ve killed or conquered their inclination to do the opposite of G-d’s will. The rest of us? Well— it’s our lifelong duty to Think, Speak, and Act completely in accordance with G-d’s will. Fake it til you make it and G-d rewards you as a tzaddik— Or not— and you struggle your whole life to act according to halacha in the world— in G-d’s “four cubits of halacha.” (See the Tanya by Rabbi Shneur Zalman of Liadi—

https://www.chabad.org/library/tanya/tanya_cdo/aid/6237/jewish/Lessons-in-Tanya.htm )

Wash your hands like a Jew, tie your shoes like a Jew! Eat leftover turkey-pastrami from Shabbos meal heated up in a kosher microwave LIKE A JEW! Pray, procreate— everything. The gentile can’t understand it, above all the Christian who has put it all on one man and they can claim to go along for the ride.

Moshiach now.


51 posted on 05/02/2022 11:44:17 AM PDT by Phinneous (By the way, there are Seven Laws for you too! Noahide.org)
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To: Phinneous
Yes, I was aware of the various midrashim about David when I wrote that post. Fascinating in their own right. That's why I wondered if it had been considered that David simply had other priorities; i.e. he needed to watch his sheep because the sheep came first. The whole town was focused on Samuel's visit, so good luck finding a baa-baa sitter, much less a competent one.

As for this atonement business, the half shekel for every man (โ™‚) is quite well-prepared do the talking. Like David himself, scandalous, of sketchy provenance:

What If an Israeli National Symbol Is a Fake?

Re Noah and "l'rosh pina"... in that phrase is found the ratio between the volume of the Ark of Noah and the Ark of the Covenant. It's not complicated. Just start with the dimensions of Noah's Ark. It's all in there.

Who's the qualified candidate? HR departments are famous for rejecting the best applications, as only the ones that "check all the boxes" get past their eagle eyes.

So a guy who has, say a semester left before getting the required degree but has 3x the work experience and knowledge base required (having worked while going through school at the top of every class), won't get past the HR gate guards, but the one with the minimum requirements who just graduated at the bottom of his class is interview-worthy.

No concept of the job, or how the requirements are to be properly understood, balanced, and applied. But no use challenging the "due diligence" of the bureaucratic automatons. They're sticklers for the rules lest some unqualified applicant sneak through.

Most people understand this little analogy from the real world, but might become offended at the suggestion that HR should stand for Human Religions.

HR -- why the Messiah is yet to step into the job that will suit his full potential. He's "obviously" not the one anyone wants. Not HR-approved. The benefit, however, is that he's been left alone, like David in the field with his sheep.

But as soon as HR is sent packing, real work can begin and do its good work unimpeded.

As for the knowledge and warning from the expert musicologist... I know that when I want a trustworthy source pattern, I'll rely on a logo design.

Furthermore, Bayer argued, it was unlikely a woman of royalty in seventh-century B.C.E. Jerusalem would wish to publicly associate with a lyre. In those days, she said, a female musician would have been considered a prostitute.

Ezekiel 23

The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother...

๐Ÿฟ

52 posted on 05/02/2022 3:31:12 PM PDT by Ezekiel ("Come fly with US". Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with Mars โ™‚๏ธ.)
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To: Phinneous
Moshiach now.

Unification:

Year 2891 marks the center of the human timeline as of now, year 5782 (2891 x 2)...

King David

David was the greatest of the kings and the quintessential example of what a Jewish monarch should be. He ruled for 40 years (2884-2924), seven years in Hebron and 33 years in Jerusalem. David conquered Jerusalem in 2891 and made it the capital of the Jewish state, a status it has enjoyed since. Previously, Jerusalem was a non-Jewish Jebusite city.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2837559/jewish/The-United-Kingdom-of-Israel-and-Its-Split.htm

Relates to the world of action/asiyah because recall that the internal letters of [the sephirah of] Yesod spell the next, the Kingdom of David: Malchut "Do". True enough as-is (action), but if I had to hazard a guess, all that's needed to complete the diagram is a dalet [ื“] on the end of "Do" [ื“ื•].

Brother can you spare a dalet?

Here's a musical perspective on what's inside a pair of "do"s (1โ†”8):

Do-Re-Mi-Fa-Sol-La-Si-Do

ื“ื•-ืจื”-ืžื™-ืคื”-ืกื•ืœ-ืœื”-ืกื™-ื“ื•

Re [ืจื”] = 205 (5 x 41)
Mi [ืžื™] = 50
Fa [ืคื”] =
85
Sol [ืกื•ืœ] = 96
La [ืœื”] = 35
Si [ืกื™] = 70

= 541

Doe, a deer, a female deer... aka Esther, the hidden star of the show.

Ray, a drop of golden sun...

53 posted on 05/02/2022 5:35:28 PM PDT by Ezekiel ("Come fly with US". Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with Mars โ™‚๏ธ.)
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To: Phinneous

This is a lot of weight to carry around.


55 posted on 05/03/2022 4:25:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Phinneous

Since you have mentioned it...

https://noahide.org/sevenlaws/


56 posted on 05/03/2022 4:27:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Phinneous

I’ve been meaning to get back to this discussion, but it wasn’t so easy to with so many weighty matters involved.

On some of what you wrote, though, I’ve heard of Tzadikim. I would think they couldn’t be absolutely perfect, however, like G-d is.

And on the Law and faith, it seems like they couldn’t be mutually exclusive. And I think we Gentiles do have some understanding for the Law, even while we don’t perform it.

“Who said heโ€™s a deity (G-d forbid)”

Most Christians don’t claim to wholly understand the nature of G-d. We just don’t. But I keep running into the idea from Orthodox Jews (probably just yesterday, too, when I looked a bit at the Tanya you mentioned) that in some way G-d might or could incarnate people.

On the Holy Spirit, I’ve watched some videos on the topic from Rabbi Tovia Singer, who Ancesthntr mentioned here. I’ve watched dozens of his videos recently, and some of the things he says I’ve found to be very challenging to the Christian faith like really nothing else I’ve encountered. Several times I went to Scripture and prayed and thought about what he said for days. And I’ve been studying Isaiah
for months, too, in response.

So in his video “Judaism vs. Christianity on the Holy Spirit,” he says at about the 5-minute mark that the Holy Spirit in the Christian Bible is very similar to the Holy Spirit in the Tanakh. But, he says, it isn’t distinct. The thing is, though, that there is the distinction made in the Tanakh itself. Christians, of course, didn’t invent it. And the Holy Spirit is much more noticeably active in the Christian Bible, so the distinction becomes more prominent. Yet as Rabbi Singer himself says, G-d sometimes puts His Spirit on people. But we are not thinking (6-min) that somehow the Holy Spirit isn’t infinite and everywhere. I understand why he says “person” is objectionable, but it’s a clumsy human way to try to articulate that distinction. And even Rabbi Singer himself, at around the 14:50 mark, asks G-d’s forgiveness while trying to describe the Holy Spirit if he doesn’t do it well enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKCXhczoaLs


62 posted on 05/31/2022 8:59:27 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Willing to die for Christ, if it's His will--politics should prepare people for the Gospel)
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