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Catholics Don't Believe You Can Earn Your Way to Heaven
Tradition | 03-06-2022 | CharlesOconnell

Posted on 03/06/2022 11:16:06 AM PST by CharlesOConnell

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To: MurphsLaw
Are they going to Heaven?

Are you asking a mere human to judge these two on the condition of their souls?

Throughout his life, David - a man after GOD's own heart, was always killing one enemy or another.

Will we see him in heaven?

101 posted on 03/08/2022 3:19:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw
Good to see you again!!

Not exactly what the guy in the mirror says each morning.

102 posted on 03/08/2022 3:19:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Since ceremonies and rituals do not save anyone,

You make Mary cry...


103 posted on 03/08/2022 3:25:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

104 posted on 03/08/2022 3:30:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Are you asking a mere human to judge these two on the condition of their souls?

Certainly and after blowing a gasket and condemning others who seem to be making judgments about their souls, those Catholics then turn around and set up gotcha scenarios and demand you judge the condition of some hypothetical or real person’s soul.

105 posted on 03/08/2022 3:53:13 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: Elsie

Isaiah 53


 Who has believed our message

    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors.


106 posted on 03/08/2022 3:59:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

Pray for peace in Ukraine!


107 posted on 03/08/2022 4:01:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Matthew 24:20

pray that when you flee, it will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.


108 posted on 03/08/2022 4:04:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

Not persuasive. In all other instances where scripture references non-scriptural sources it is merely to confirm some factual assertion. Jude declares the prophesy of Enoch as authoritative.


109 posted on 03/08/2022 8:13:18 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Texas_Guy

“He explicitly gave them power to forgive sins.”

Nope, He gave them authority to write the Holy Scriptures under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit which declares what is sin and what is not. That’s why in Matthew’s account of the keys to the kingdom it is written in past tense signifying that GOD’s law existed before our universe was created.

You can also see in Matthew 9 that Jesus did not correct the statement that only GOD can forgive sins, He let it stand and added that He has the authority thus confirming that only GOD can forgive sins.


110 posted on 03/08/2022 8:20:36 AM PST by mrobisr (Romans 10:9-10, yes it is that simple!)
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To: oldbill

“anti-Catholic bigots”

I get the same response from the homosexuals and trans when I tell them they are living in sin, birds of a feather flock together.


111 posted on 03/08/2022 8:22:56 AM PST by mrobisr (Romans 10:9-10, yes it is that simple!)
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To: metmom

“It can’t be the same sacrifice because Jesus is not still on the cross.”

Rome must think Jesus is still on the cross because every Roman cult building I have been in still has a devilish idol hanging on a cross. What I find interesting is that Jesus is depicted dead on their cross or as a baby on many paintings, but I have yet to see their fake goddess dead, she’s always alive.

If I were Satan that is exactly how I would have it too, a dead savior isn’t the true Savior just as the female diety they worship and serve is not Mary the mother of our Lord Jesus.


112 posted on 03/08/2022 8:32:57 AM PST by mrobisr (Romans 10:9-10, yes it is that simple!)
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To: af_vet_1981

“I’m not aware of any Orthodox or Catholic teaching that Mary is a goddess”

rcc’s pray to Mary and their god
rcc’s bow to Mary and their god
rcc’s kneel to Mary and their god
rcc’s offer sacrifice to Mary and their god
rcc’s serve Mary and their god
rcc’s get grace from Mary and from their god

And service is also included in the commandment thou shall not worship or serve other gods.


113 posted on 03/08/2022 8:44:47 AM PST by mrobisr (Romans 10:9-10, yes it is that simple!)
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To: MurphsLaw

“You have to have a plausible answer then, why the Holy Spirit would allow this Church error of canonicty to exist for over 1000 years.”

The Holy Spirit indewells saved born again believers not .org’s.

Orthodox Judaism has misinterpreted Scripture for 2400 years and counting.

It is called free will, you might remember the story of Adam and Eve.


114 posted on 03/08/2022 8:51:32 AM PST by mrobisr (Romans 10:9-10, yes it is that simple!)
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To: mrobisr

Thank you for your postings.

It gives everyone a chance to see what true bigotry is.

If you are done with your stupid, anti-Christian diatribes, you can put your hood and sheet back on.


115 posted on 03/08/2022 9:19:25 AM PST by oldbill
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To: mrobisr

Actions speak louder than words.


116 posted on 03/08/2022 9:56:15 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: oldbill; mrobisr
If you are done with your stupid, anti-Christian diatribes, you can put your hood and sheet back on

Classic projection.

Is this an example of Catholic charity?

117 posted on 03/08/2022 10:00:33 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: mrobisr
rcc’s pray to Mary and their god rcc’s bow to Mary and their god rcc’s kneel to Mary and their god rcc’s offer sacrifice to Mary and their god rcc’s serve Mary and their god rcc’s get grace from Mary and from their god

And service is also included in the commandment thou shall not worship or serve other gods.

So, it seems to me by your writing that you mistakenly think Mary and Jesus are false gods/idols, or would you like to walk some of it back ?

Here is my take:

Catholics love, honor, venerate, and talk to Mary because they believe she is alive in heaven with Jesus, and they believe Jesus loves her and delights in her so that is she joins their prayers to hers it will help them. Mary is the queen mother, which is the mother of the legitimate king.

People who hate have essentially lost their way.
118 posted on 03/08/2022 11:02:23 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: circlecity
"Not persuasive. In all other instances where scripture references non-scriptural sources it is merely to confirm some factual assertion. Jude declares the prophesy of Enoch as authoritative."

Meaning the prophesy also was a factual assertion, and considering just some of the problems my brief examination lists, then to class the whole book as Scripture is a problem.

119 posted on 03/08/2022 11:36:35 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save U + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
“Meaning the prophesy also was a factual assertion”

No, prophecy is a divinely inspired prediction of future events. It cannot be confirmed by contemporary secular sources. To divinely cite it as reliable is to attest for it’s divine inspiration. There’s no way around it.

120 posted on 03/08/2022 11:47:28 AM PST by circlecity
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