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To: Mark17
Don’t interpret everything literally.

That is the Catholic position, not the Fundamentalist position.

As for And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Look no further than here for the first mention and interpretation (and don't let the "bowing" be a stumbling block). There is really no other scriptural passage that presages the teaching:

Elisha the prophet, calls Elijah the prophet "my father" and attributed to Elijah the strength that belongs to our Father in heaven. He was not punished for this and it was not called out anywhere in scripture until implicitly in the Gospel of Matthew, which would be rather curious without this illumination. So, in essence, call no man "father" while attributing to that man the essence and attributes of God. The LORD God of Israel was "the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof", not King David, not King Solomon, and not Elijah the Prophet.



Interpret scripture with scripture, taking special care of first mention, which is why Joseph's dream of the sun (Jacob/Israel), moon (Rachel), eleven stars (sons of Jacob/Israel), and Joseph (object of the dream) are an image of what was to come with Miriam/Mary in John's vision.


364 posted on 12/18/2021 12:00:33 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

Elisha smote the water and Moses smote the rock.

Which came first?


365 posted on 12/18/2021 12:37:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981

So Elijah’s spirit did not go with him to heaven?

Hmmmm


366 posted on 12/18/2021 12:39:52 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981
The only way you can float that lie is to ignore all the verses right before and right after the ONE verse you want to make say it is Mary the Mother of Jesus. what a Catholic you show yourself to be, posting the writings of others without attribution and claiming your religion's interpretation of scripture, shuffled along by taking verse out of context, as if you have found truith even as you share false interpretations of God's Word. The following is the context you deceitfully leave out:

Revelation 12 And a great sign was seen in the heaven, a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars,

2 and being with child she doth cry out, travailing and pained to bring forth.

3 And there was seen another sign in the heaven, and, lo, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his head seven diadems,

4 and his tail doth draw the third of the stars of the heaven, and he did cast them to the earth; and the dragon did stand before the woman who is about to bring forth, that when she may bring forth, her child he may devour;

5 and she brought forth a male child, who is about to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, and caught away was her child unto God and His throne,

6 and the woman did flee to the wilderness, where she hath a place made ready from God, that there they may nourish her -- days a thousand, two hundred, sixty

. 7 And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers,

8 and they did not prevail, nor was their place found any more in the heaven;

9 and the great dragon was cast forth -- the old serpent, who is called `Devil,' and `the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world -- he was cast forth to the earth, and his messengers were cast forth with him.

10 And I heard a great voice saying in the heaven, `Now did come the salvation, and the power, and the reign, of our God, and the authority of His Christ, because cast down was the accuser of our brethren, who is accusing them before our God day and night;

11 and they did overcome him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life -- unto death;

12 because of this be glad, ye heavens, and those in them who do tabernacle; woe to those inhabiting the land and the sea, because the Devil did go down unto you, having great wrath, having known that he hath little time.'

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast forth to the earth, he pursued the woman who did bring forth the male,

14 and there were given to the woman two wings of the great eagle, that she may fly to the wilderness, to her place, where she is nourished a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent;

15 and the serpent did cast forth after the woman, out of his mouth, water as a river, that he may cause her to be carried away by the river,

16 and the land did help the woman, and the land did open its mouth and did swallow up the river, that the dragon did cast forth out of his mouth;

17 and the dragon was angry against the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, those keeping the commands of God, and having the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The scene is stretching from the time of God taking Israel as His wife to the time during the Tribulation when satan is so angry at Israel for bringing forth the Messiah, and satan tries to kill Israel but God supernaturally protects her to the end of the Tribulation. Have you never read the twelfth chapter of The Revelation? If the imagery is of Mary where are the following attacks on Israel to be placed in your mythos?

367 posted on 12/18/2021 4:38:56 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: af_vet_1981; Elsie; MHGinTN; aMorePerfectUnion; metmom
That is the Catholic position, not the Fundamentalist position.

As you are probably aware, I disagree with 99% of Catholic positions. That’s just the way it is bro. It’s not likely to change, in the next 3 trillion eons. 😄 I don’t even know if we have the same Jesus. Remember, it’s not enough to have faith in Jesus. We must have faith in the RIGHT Jesus. I know I do, though I don’t know if you do. Call no man father bro, and worship the RIGHT Jesus.

368 posted on 12/18/2021 5:28:06 PM PST by Mark17 (USAF ATCer, Retired. Father of USAF pilot. ATCers & pilots, the quintessential elements of aviation)
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To: af_vet_1981

Wow, Catholicism will cherry pick and twist any Scripture to deify Mary.


369 posted on 12/18/2021 5:37:43 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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