Teachings of men?
Yes, there are negative consequences for “born againers” who sin, which is.
1. Forfeiting of what faith obtains, if dying having will-fully, impenitently continued in sin after being convicted by God of it, effectively having denied the faith (cf. 1 Timothy 5:8) being as an unbeliever with a "faith" that cannot save. Thus believers are warned as believers against having an "evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God," drawing "back to perdition," so that Christ shall "profit you nothing," having "fallen from grace," not standing fast in "the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free," not holding fast "the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end," "the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end," so that the gospel labor on their behalf would be in vain, (Gal. 5:1-5; Heb. 3:6,12,14; 10:25-31, 38-39; 1 Thessalonians 3:5) Wherefore God chastens us to work repentance so "that we should not be condemned with the world." (1 Corinthians 11:32) As was told you before.
2. Loss of rewards and grief at the Lord's displeasure when the fruit of our labor in building His church (which all believers are doing, directly or indirectly: cf. Ephesians 4:16).
For after the Lord's coming is the judgment seat of Christ, with its giving and loss of rewards (Mt. 16:27; 1Cor. 3:8-17; 4:5; Rm. 14:10; 2Cor. 5:10; 1Thes. 2:19; 2Tim. 4:1,8; Rev.11:18; ; 1Pt. 1:7; 5:4; cf. Mt. 13:30,39; 25:31-46; Jn. 5:29; Rev. 20:5,6) based on the quality of the material they used to build the church with.
Tares defile the church and will be burned, (Mt. 13:30,39; 1Cor. 3:17) while true believers are "crowns" (1 Thess. 2:19; Phil. 4:1) and rejoicing "in the day of the Lord Jesus" (2Cor. 1:14) for those who provided them (presumably directly or indirectly). But the loss (1Cor. 3:14,15) of fruit and rewards (along with the implicit grievous displeasure of the Lord, like as Peter felt when the Lord looked at Peter after he in weakness denied Him) is the only suffering mentioned for believers after leaving this world (versus purgatory, which has souls suffering upon death).
"Then there are the ridiculous statements that their flesh sins but their spirit doesn’t so even if they did sin it doesn’t matter,"
No, i do not subscribe to that and is certainly does matter.
"or that we are no longer “under the law” so commandment keeping doesn’t apply to them,"
No, not under the law is in regard to acceptance with God not being in the basis of obtaining the level of obedience the Law requires, yet that true believers are justified by effectual faith being imputed for righteousness, thus resulting in obedience by the Spirit, (Rm. 8:14) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Romans 8:4)
However, what you mean is that if one does not "keep" the 7th day sabbath then he is not a believer, yet the new covenant is indeed different from that of Moses, and the NT explains how, in 'which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation, (Hebrews 9:10) and thus nowhere in the NT church is the command to keep of the 7th day sabbath reiterated or actually exampled by an actual one, with meeting on the 1st day being the only specific day exampled. As told you before.
We could go on but there should be no need since we have been there and done that:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3868037/posts?page=98#98
https://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3954151/posts?page=153#153
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3868037/posts?page=531#531
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3868037/posts?page=566#566
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3868037/posts?page=622#622
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3868037/posts?page=720#720
May God peradventure grant all “repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.” (2 Timothy 2:25)
I should have been even more clear in my statement. What is the penalty for UNREPENTANT sin? Born againers say nothing (other than a few jewels missing from their crowns). Nope. Once saved, always saved and nothing will keep a Christian out of heaven. That is their position.
We could go on but there should be no need since we have been there and done that:
Then why do you keep bringing it up?
You are very confused as to what the new covenant is and means.
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch//covenant-seal.htm
“The Ten Commandments of God are to be written in the hearts and minds of His people (The New Covenant in verity), the very seal of God on His people, and that includes the seventh day (Saturday) Sabbath commandment.”
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
and thus nowhere in the NT church is the command to keep of the 7th day sabbath reiterated or actually exampled by an actual one
Matthew 5:
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
with meeting on the 1st day being the only specific day exampled. As told you before.
Not even the Catholic Church believes you (other churches also cited).
“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles… From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” (Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900).
“You will read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [Catholics] never sanctify.” (Cardinal Gibbons’ Faith of Our Fathers, p. 111).
“Nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the apostles ordered the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the seventh day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] Church outside the Bible.” (Catholic Virginian, October 3, 1947. p. 9).
It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.” (Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society, 1975, Chicago, Illinois.)
Methodist
“Sabbath in the Hebrew language signifies rest, and is the seventh day of the week… and it must be confessed that there is no law in the New Testament concerning the first day.” Charles Buck, A Theological Dictionary, “Sabbath.”
Presbyterians
“Some have tried to build the observance of Sunday upon Apostolic command, whereas the Apostles gave no command on the matter at all…. The truth is, so soon as we appeal to the litera scripta [literal writing] of the Bible, the Sabbatarians have the best of the argument.” “The Christian at Work”, April 19, 1883, and Jan. 1884.
Anglican
“Where are we told in Scripture that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day…. The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because the Bible, but because the Church, has enjoined it.” Isaac William, D.D., Plain Sermons on the Catechism, vol. 1.
Episcopal
“The Bible commandment says on the seventh day thou shalt rest. That is Saturday. Nowhere in the Bible is it laid down that worship should be done on Sunday.”
Baptist
“There is nothing in Scripture that requires us to keep Sunday rather than Saturday as a holy day.” Harold Lindsell (editor), Christianity Today, Nov. 5, 1976.
“To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years’ discussion with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the Sabbath question . . . never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing was intimated . . . Of course I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history . . . But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of Paganism, and christened with the name of the sun-god, adopted and sanctioned by the Papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism” (Dr. Edward Hiscox, before a New York ministers’ conference, Nov. 13, 1893, as reported in the New York Examiner, Nov. 16, 1893).
“If it [Sabbath] yet exists, let us observe it…And if it does not exist, let us abandon a mock observance of another day for it. ‘But,’ say some, ‘it was changed from the seventh to the first day.’ Where? when? and by whom? No man can tell. No, it never was changed, nor could it be, unless creation was to be gone through again: for the reason assigned must be changed before the observance, or respect to the reason, can be changed! It is all old wives’ fables to talk of the change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day. If it be changed, it was that august personage changed it who changes times and laws ex officio – I think his name is Doctor Antichrist.’ (Alexander Campbell, The Christian Baptist, Feb. 2, 1824, vol. 1. no. 7, p. 164.)
“The Sabbath is a part of the Decalogue—the Ten Commandments. This alone forever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution . . . Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand . . . The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath” (T.C. Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed, pp. 474-475).
and on, and on, and on.......
This bears repeating...
“The Sabbath is a part of the Decalogue—the Ten Commandments. This alone forever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution . . . Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand . . . The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath” (T.C. Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed, pp. 474-475).
We could go on but there should be no need since we have been there and done that:
I believe that God will say something similar to the lost, just after they bow and confess in His presence and He pronounces judgment on them.
Isiah 45:23I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Romans 14:11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Philippians 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(that’s yet ANOTHER reference to the 4th commandment BTW)
As Carson would say: "I did not know that."
Teachings of men?
I am referring to comments 53 and 54 and probably others that follow.
The point was that no authorization to worship on Sunday was explicitly made in scripture.
Well, we learn by command, by example and by implication.
1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
Paul teaches to take a collection.
Acts 20:7 And upon the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Here Paul meets with the brethren in Troas (I think) to take communion. Plus he preaches.
On the first day of the week, the churches took a collection, celebrated the Lord’s Supper and hear Paul preach. Sounds like a worship service to me. Did they sing songs? Did they pray? We might infer that. But the example belongs to “first day of the week.”
He that has ears to hear, let him hear.