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Dr. Kwasniewski on Traditionis Custodes: Worst Papal Document in History
The Remnant Newspaper ^ | July 21, 2021 | Gerhard Eger

Posted on 07/21/2021 5:03:12 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: ebb tide

Indeed. It’s a hell of a thing. The average person in the pew at Novus Ordo is far more likely to dissent from the catechism, yet we’re treated like “conversos” in 16th century Spain.


21 posted on 07/21/2021 9:09:14 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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I hope no one was naive enough to fill that out.


22 posted on 07/21/2021 10:34:45 PM PDT by dsc (Abortion is the axe laid to the roots of the tree of human rights.)
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If they did fill it out, I hoped they "discerned" what answers were expected in order to keep their Mass. And I hope they filled out multiple ballots.

To this day, we don't know the tabulated results of Bergoglio's worldwide survey of bishops regarding the TLM which he based his demonic motu proprio on.

Here's Cardinal Zen's take:

It came as a bitter surprise to me personally that the “thorough” consultation did not reach me, a cardinal and former member of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. Furthermore, during the years 2007-9, I was bishop of Hong Kong, and therefore responsible for the implementation of “Summorum Pontificum”, and until now, a well-known supporter of the group.

Not having known either the questionnaire or the responses to the questionnaire, I cannot judge, but only suspect that there was much misunderstanding (or perhaps even manipulation) in the process.

As I read the two documents, I notice (1) an incredible ease (or tendentiousness) in linking the desire to use the vetus ritus to the non-acceptance of the ritus novus and (2) in associating the non-acceptance of the liturgical reform (which often concerns the way in which it was carried out with its many serious abuses) with a total and profound rejection of the Council itself (for the proponents of this rejection, the diversity of the rite of the Mass is but a small corollary, so much so that the concession regarding the rite did not undo the schism).

The Vatican authorities should ask themselves (and perhaps even make a thorough investigation) why the persistence and perhaps (recent) worsening of the second phenomenon.

23 posted on 07/21/2021 10:54:00 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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“(2) in associating the non-acceptance of the liturgical reform with a total and profound rejection of the Council itself.”

I’m not the sort of scholar who could put together a profound rejection of Vat II.

However, it does seem to me that the good guys reject Vat II and the bad guys try to force it on everyone.

Sort of like the COVID jabs.


24 posted on 07/22/2021 12:34:09 AM PDT by dsc (Abortion is the axe laid to the roots of the tree of human rights.)
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To: irishjuggler

Good analogy.


25 posted on 07/22/2021 7:49:44 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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