Gadol Adonai

I'm not into the Johnathan Cahn type movement. But this Hebrew worship song is one of my favorites. I don't speak Hebrew, but even as a Christian, there is something about this song and the way it is performed here that draws the heart.

I love Israel, and I love the Jewish people. This ones for you. The Apple of Gods Eye.

Jewish people writing and singing songs about the glory of G-d. Sounds like what King David did. You can find some of them in the Hebrew book of Psalms.

Yeah, if only they WERE "Jewish people". This is yet another pseudo Jewish song, part of the deceptive modus operandi of the Messyonic cult. NO Jew would write a song about the glories of JC, since that is not a part of Judaism. And they wrote it Hebrew to make it seem legit, Jewish. NO WAY. And how dare you compare this stuff with the Psalms of Dovid HaMelech?

“Jewish people writing and singing songs about the glory of G-d. Sounds like what King David did. You can find some of them in the Hebrew book of Psalms.
Yeah, if only they WERE “Jewish people”. This is yet another pseudo Jewish song, part of the deceptive modus operandi of the Messyonic cult. NO Jew would write a song about the glories of JC, since that is not a part of Judaism. And they wrote it Hebrew to make it seem legit, Jewish. NO WAY. And how dare you compare this stuff with the Psalms of Dovid HaMelech?”

Now is time for discernment.

Is your angst against the Jews who, for the last two millennium, have recognized through G-d’s word that Yeshua is the Messiah?

Or is your angst against Yeshua ha Mashiach G-d brought us as promised?

Yeah, if only they WERE "Jewish people".

Assuming they are not Gentiles, and that their mothers were Jewesses, then yes they are Jews. Watching the posted video, at least some of the singers' Hebrew seems to be with Israeli accents. Looking at the group in the video I would expect many of them had done their IDF service.

Israelis
IDF veterans
Jews
Freedom, in a civil soceity, to worship HaShem as their consciences dictate.

Is your angst against the Jews who, for the last two millennium, have recognized through G-d’s word that Yeshua is the Messiah? Or is your angst against Yeshua ha Mashiach G-d brought us as promised?

Sorry, pal. You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. You are trying to deny our Torah and peddle some Messyonic baloney. Actual Torah observant Jews believe that the Messiah has not yet arrived, so we still wait for him. Only Messyonics try to peddle their belief that "Yeshua" is the Jewish messiah. You can cut and paste your stuff about "Yeshua" a million times, and that won't make it true. So don't waste your time (or mine) averring something which has nothing to do with authentic Torah Judaism.

Watching the posted video, at least some of the singers' Hebrew seems to be with Israeli accents.

There are plenty of non-Jews who live in Israel and speak Israeli-accented Hebrew. Does not make them Jews. Just as looking at people with no other data available except their appearance and deciding that they are IDF is invalid as well. Plenty of non-Jews are in the IDF, too. Your "freedom to worship Hashem" is an attempt to co-op actual Torah Judaism and substitute your own version of "Hashem" for the one defined in the Torah. Nice try, but no sale.

There are plenty of non-Jews who live in Israel and speak Israeli-accented Hebrew.

Not that many; vast majority who are not Arab or African are Jews, probably less than 5% fit criteria you mentioned.

Does not make them Jews.

As previously written, having a Jewish mother makes one Jewish.

Just as looking at people with no other data available except their appearance and deciding that they are IDF is invalid as well. Plenty of non-Jews are in the IDF, too.

No, it does not make in invalid. Outside of Arabs, Druze, and Africans (although some have converted), there are not that many non-Jews in the IDF. Even the Mitnavdim chutz la'aretz (Volunteers outside of Israel) had to be Jews to enter the IDF. If one sees black hats, and hears Yiddish, one can make reasonable assumptions, up to a point. These assumptions are only invalid if disproved.

Besides who they represent, what specific objections are there to the song itself ? Men and women singing together, electronics, lyrics ?

Besides who they represent, what specific objections are there to the song itself ? Men and women singing together, electronics, lyrics ?

Men and women singing together violates the halacha (Jewish law) of kol isha. Men are not permitted to hear the singing voice of women other than their wife.

While the majority of Israelis are Jews, religious or not, about 25% of Israelis are NOT Jews. While the IDF is mostly Jewish, there are plenty of Arabs, Christians, and Druze who have joined the ranks. It would still be invalid to assume that people singing in a theatrical production are Jews, especially one created for and tailored to promote Messyonic aims of deception, which this video certainly was.

You still have not proven anything about this Messyonic video except that you attempt to twist facts to fit your agenda. Even the name of the video is forbidden, for one is never to use any of the many names for our Creator unless one is praying, never in casual talk.

Men and women singing together violates the halacha (Jewish law) of kol isha. Men are not permitted to hear the singing voice of women other than their wife. ...

Yes, they are definitely violating halacha. Most Jews do.

While the majority of Israelis are Jews, religious or not, about 25% of Israelis are NOT Jews. While the IDF is mostly Jewish, there are plenty of Arabs, Christians, and Druze who have joined the ranks.

Yes, and I had explicitly excluded those 24% or so of Israelis who are not Jews from the analysis. Yet they all have civil rights in Israel and a Jew who breaks halacha and chooses a belief or practice contrary to it does not thereby cease being a Jew. Otherwise Israel would have an overwhelming non Jewish majority.

The commandment is to love fellow Jews, even as one hates their sin, and to try to help them see the light.

Even the name of the video is forbidden, for one is never to use any of the many names for our Creator unless one is praying, never in casual talk.

That is still a mystery to me; how could countless (well, they could be counted) generations of Jews starting at Har Sinai, hear The Name, and yet forget (at some point in our history) how to pronounce it ? I don't attach authority or certainty to the various scholarship that seems to favor a certain pronunciation as probably correct. I want to know it is as correct as the Torah text itself. How could The Name be forgotten and yet not the Torah ?

That is still a mystery to me; how could countless (well, they could be counted) generations of Jews starting at Har Sinai, hear The Name, and yet forget (at some point in our history) how to pronounce it ?

They did NOT "forget it"; it is forbidden to use the holiness of Hashem's other names for non-prayer purposes.

They did NOT "forget it"; it is forbidden to use the holiness of Hashem's other names for non-prayer purposes.

This is about the TetraGrammaton, The Name in 4 Hebrew Letters that Moses wrote down. I have read that the correct pronunciation was lost during the Talmudic period after being used as part of the Temple Service during the First Temple period.

With the Temple destroyed and the prohibition on pronouncing The Name outside of the Temple, pronunciation of the Name fell into disuse. Scholars passed down knowledge of the correct pronunciation of [the Tetragrammaton] for many generations, but eventually the correct pronunciation was lost, and we no longer know it with any certainty.

This is about the TetraGrammaton, The Name in 4 Hebrew Letters that Moses wrote down. I have read that the correct pronunciation was lost during the Talmudic period after being used as part of the Temple Service during the First Temple period.

We are not referring to the "TetraGrammaton". That is not one of the Names which reflect the different aspects of G-d which are found in prayers. The "TetraGrammaton", as you refer to it, was only uttered by Aaron, the High Priest, in the Holy of Holies, in the Bais HaMikdash, on Yom Kippur. We do not utter any of the Names which refer to G-d in mundane conversation because to do so, for such a purpose, is to cheapen them and is thus prohibited. As I said before, the various Names of G-d each refer to a different attribute of Him, and are only to be used in prayer and Torah study.

So the Messyonic production of that song is not in any way representative of authentic Judaism, in that it immediately violated 2 Jewish laws, just for starters. The Youtube video is even IDENTIFIED as Messyonic:

"Messianic Jewish Alliance of Israel"

and therefore, no further analysis is necessary. It was purposely constructed as a Messyonic attempt at deception. It is a lie through and through, wrapped in a pretty package. Don't try to palm this off as having anything to do with actual Judaism. It's an attempt at a con job. Jews with a proper Jewish education recognize this for what it is at a glance and wouldn't even bother to tune in.

We are not referring to the "TetraGrammaton". That is not one of the Names which reflect the different aspects of G-d which are found in prayers.

I was; it is His name in the Torah, occurring over 6,000 times. I never understood how its pronunciation was forgotten. The only biblical reference I found was in the Book of Jeremiah which blamed bad pastors/prophets for leading the people (not the High Priest) who thought to cause the people (not the High Priest) to forget the name, as their fathers forgot the Name for Baal.

I agree that the song, the group, and alliance are not representative of Orthodox Judaism, nor that anyone trained in Orthodox Judaism would be confused to think it was. It is just a group of (mostly) Israelis (could be some tourists mixed in) who I still think are mostly Jews exercising their freedom of conscience. I still like the music and song, so much better than the rap and techno/rave music so many IDF youth can sink into.

As I stated in my initial post, I post in hesitation because I am not a supporter on the Johnathon Cahn type (Messianic) movement because the two are exclusive of one another. The Books of Hebrews and Galatians draw this out.

That said however, I still love the song and will forever love Israel and her people as the apple of God’s eye.

According to the New Testament the Seventieth week, also known as The Time of Jacobs Woes is about to commence. Matthew 24 describes these days.

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Acts chapter 8 describes a very vivid turning point between the two Dispensations. Yet Romans chapter 11 describes how God will fulfill His Covenant He made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

It is just a group of (mostly) Israelis (could be some tourists mixed in) who I still think are mostly Jews exercising their freedom of conscience.

This video most assuredly is NOT simply "mostly Jews exercising their freedom of conscience." It is a deliberately engineered piece of Messyonic propaganda aimed at deception. I seriously doubt that most of the people singing it are actually Jews. Most Messyonics are not actually Jewish.

And why do you seemed particularly concerned about the IDF kids? Every able bodied kid who reaches 18 has to put in their 2-3 years of mandatory military service. They are the children of Israelis, not some exclusive group. Any group can get involved with rap and techno music, not just IDF kids. Most secular Israelis would rather their kids listen to rap and techno music than deceptive music aimed to make their kids think that JC could possibly be a part of Judaism.

Thank you for the reply.

Many Jewish sects have many different views. For the last 2 or so millennia this has been true. Same for Christians, Muslims, etc.

The Jewish Apostles were no different from Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc. They had belief based on an event they witnessed prophesied by G-d.

You are correct. On my own I have no idea, but G-d’s Word and Works tell me all that is needed to be known.

“That is still a mystery to me; how could countless (well, they could be counted) generations of Jews starting at Har Sinai, hear The Name, and yet forget (at some point in our history) how to pronounce it ?
They did NOT “forget it”; it is forbidden to use the holiness of Hashem’s other names for non-prayer purposes.”

Read Ezra and Nehemiah. While in captivity in Babylon they forgot the Law of G-d. When they returned after 70 years it was discovered in the destruction of the Temple and they wept and cried for days reading The Book of Laws.

EinNYC, in reading this thread, out of curiosity, I took a quick look at your FR name, and I see that today is your 13th FR anniversary, if my math is correct. (Happy FR Anniversary!)

I can see that you (and a number of other Jewish posters here on FR) have very strong feelings about this matter (particularly concerning "Jews for Jesus", and other Christian groups like that), and in recent weeks, I've been looking a little into why that might be.

In that "investigation", I came across a lot of youtube videos which shed light on that, and for others here who might be interested in learning about that, I'm going to post a couple links, where anyone can take an honest look at some of these fascinating videos for themselves.

Here are those links:

"Jews for Judaism" - (Many videos by Rabbi Michael Skobac, & others, which respond to the group "Jews for Jesus", and other groups like that.)

"Rabbi Tovia Singer" - (Many videos by Rabbi Tovia Singer, which also respond to "Jews for Jesus", and other similar groups.)

I have found many of those videos to be the most interesting ones I've watched in a long time. I believe we should all try to understand each other as much as possible, and I truly believe that many of these videos cast a lot of light on why these folks feel so strongly about this matter. For others who may be interested in this subject, I would urge them to take a quick look at some of these videos at those links too.

The Jewish Apostles were no different from Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc. They had belief based on an event they witnessed prophesied by G-d.

Oh, but you're incorrect. The "Jewish" apostles left their faith to join the JC movement. I don't know to which "G-d" you are referring, but it wasn't any event mentioned in the Torah.

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