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To: faucetman
”The Catholic man immediately started building pews complete with kneeling platforms and carving a statue of the virgin Mary.”

YES !!! Exactly - you make the authors point to a tee ! Although youre wrong about what gets built first, the building of a “ dreaded “ Crucifix would come first and yes pews, and honoring the Blessed Virgin Mother thereafter for sure...

But you hit the nail on the head.... the Catholic MUST Think of others first, he should build pews for others, he or she is commanded to share that faith with others, and pews for many others to kneel in worship is exactly what that Island would need to bring Christ to them... giving the Lord kudos for saving you is a self centered position- God is not around waiting for us to praise him, like an artist at a Art gallery open- he wants more from us..

Faith alone is a dead religion as the Apostle James warns us... and faith in faith is a hall of mirrors.... what that turns into is noted in your comment descends into INDIVIDUALISM... which as the author stated is the unintended goal of Luther’s rebellion against the Church for a Faith-only schism equation....

Christ was a mission for us.....We have to be his mission on earth.... he built his Church for unity... not everyone doing their own individual faith....
47 posted on 08/09/2020 11:20:00 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen.”)
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To: MurphsLaw
Faith alone is a dead religion as the Apostle James warns us... and faith in faith is a hall of mirrors.... what that turns into is noted in your comment descends into INDIVIDUALISM... which as the author stated is the unintended goal of Luther’s rebellion against the Church for a Faith-only schism equation....

This thread it still gong on? After refuting so much with no replies, I left it as dead or dying, yet I see the likes of you are still parroting prevaricating propaganda, as if doing so obtains an indulgence no matter how much and often it is refuted, and thus further parroting becomes an argument against being a Catholic.

Here you again inexcusably misconstrue "faith alone" as meaning faith that is alone, despite being shown that "faith alone" does not mean faith that is alone, with Luther himself stating such truths as that Faith cannot help doing good works constantly... if faith be true, it will break forth and bear fruit... where there is no faith there also can be no good works; and conversely, that there is no faith.. where there are no good works. Therefore faith and good works should be so closely joined together that the essence of the entire Christian life consists in both. if obedience and God's commandments do not dominate you, then the work is not right, but damnable, surely the devil's own doings...

Moreover, as regards INDIVIDUALISM, what group testifies to the most commitment to church and community. "Bible Christians" or Catholics? It is not the latter, and while we certainly have our divisions, yet Catholicism exists in schisms and sects, with as stated, many here even rejecting your pope as being a valid pope, and even worse, Rome manifestly considers even proabortion, prohomosexual public figures (Teddy K RCs) to be members in life and in teach, make them your brethren!

And rather then your proffered "living magisterium" being the solution (though ideally their should be a central magisterium), it has been the cause of division, and with TradCaths in essence becoming like Bible Christians in that rather than submitting to the living magisterium's understanding of past RC teaching, these TradCaths determine the validity of modern RC teaching based upon their judgment of what past church teaching is and means (but for us this means the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed, in which distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest , which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels).

Thus as one poster wryly stated,

The last time the church imposed its judgment in an authoritative manner on "areas of legitimate disagreement," the conservative Catholics became the Sedevacantists and the Society of St. Pius X, the moderate Catholics became the conservatives, the liberal Catholics became the moderates, and the folks who were excommunicated, silenced, refused Catholic burial, etc. became the liberals. The event that brought this shift was Vatican II; conservatives then couldn't handle having to actually obey the church on matters they were uncomfortable with, so they left. ” Nathan, https://christopherblosser.wordpress.com/2005/05/16/fr-michael-orsi-on-different-levels-of-catholic-teaching (original http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/blog/2005/05/fr-michael-orsi-on-different-levels-of.html)

A web site popular among “RadTrad” RCs who reject Vatican Two is https://novusordowatch.org with some detail, while we have a more charitable description by a novus ordo priest:

It is certainly possible to discern three tribes within American Catholicism. However, using the Jewish terminology is confusing. “Orthodox,” “Conservative,” and “Reform” do not translate well into American Catholicism. Clearer titles for the three tribes might be “Traditionalist” which correlates with the Jewish “Orthodox.” “Magisterial” because “conservative” Catholics adhere to papal teachings and the magisterium, while “Progressive” reflects the “Reformed” group in Judaism....

Broadly speaking, “Traditionalists” adhere to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, the Baltimore Catechism, and Church teachings from before the Second Vatican Council...

“Magisterial” Catholics put loyalty to the authority of the pope and magisterial teaching first and foremost. They are happy with the principles of the Second Vatican Council, but want to “Reform the Reform.” They want to celebrate the Novus Ordo Mass with solemnity, reverence, and fine music. ..They uphold traditional Catholic teaching in faith and morals, but wish to communicate and live these truths in an up-to-date and relevant way...

The “Progressives” are vitally interested in peace and justice issues. They’re enthusiastic about serving the marginalized and working for institutional change. They are likely to embrace freer forms of worship, dabble in alternative spiritualities, and be eager to make the Catholic faith relevant and practical. Progressives believe the Church should adapt to the modern age... Maguire sums up their attitude pretty well: Progressives “don’t need the Vatican. Their conscience is their Vatican.” - Is Catholicism about to break into three? Crux Catholic Media Inc. ^ | Oct 6, 2015 | Fr. Dwight Longenecker; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3778496/posts

And thus you have FR articles as,

Is Catholicism about to break into three?

Archbishop Viganò: We Are Witnessing Creation of a ‘New Church

The SSPX's Relationship with Francis: Is it Traditional? post #6

Is the Catholic Church in De Facto Schism?

The Impossibility of Judging or Deposing a True Pope...If Francis is a true Pope

Dogmatic Fact: The One Doctrine that Proves Francis Is Pope; https://onepeterfive.com/dogmatic-fact-francis-pope/

Thus besides the unscriptural teachings of Catholicism, what God-fearing evangelical should want to leave his or her conservative fellowship, which liberals disdain, and join Rome which they call their church home and she is loath to deal with them? And actions speak louder then words. Teddy K even got a nice letter from your pope (in response to one delivered by Obama), thanking him for his prayers but we hear of not a word of rebuke. To join Rome would mean becoming part of one of her sects claiming to be the faithful RCs, while each of which believes the unscriptural teachings of Catholicism.

421 posted on 08/15/2020 7:28:58 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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