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1 posted on 03/25/2020 10:02:02 AM PDT by amessenger4god
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Nope. It’s nothing we can do ourselves. It already has been done on the Cross; however, I will show you my faith by what I do.


2 posted on 03/25/2020 10:03:11 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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With any luck (or not), we will find out when we croak.

One thing is for sure.

If there is an afterlife, an awful lot of people are going to be very surprised.

We just don't know who.

With most religions claiming to be the only way, and so many denominations of the Christian religion, most claiming to be the ONLY way, or you are going to hell, surprises are in order.

I hope everybody gets a good surprise.

3 posted on 03/25/2020 10:07:45 AM PDT by Mogger
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Gee, I wonder if this question has ever been addressed before.


4 posted on 03/25/2020 10:08:54 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (There are only two genders.)
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good Christian works ensure you have a higher residence in heaven. More closer to God than the pit of salvation.


5 posted on 03/25/2020 10:12:07 AM PDT by Liaison (TANSTAAFL)
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Is breathing out neccessary for breathing in?

That’s how I look at it.


6 posted on 03/25/2020 10:13:06 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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They aren’t necessary for salvation but if you have a relationship with Christ you will want to do those things.


7 posted on 03/25/2020 10:13:25 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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Was Job saved by his belief?


8 posted on 03/25/2020 10:15:56 AM PDT by Dave Wright
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I'll start....No, absolutely Not...just say some words...words is all you need...then go about your day stealing, raping, assualting,lying, and porn ingesting..... God doesn't care as long as you say some words.....

you're saved! /sarcasm/

9 posted on 03/25/2020 10:18:02 AM PDT by cherry (])
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8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Ephesians 2:8-9
10 posted on 03/25/2020 10:18:45 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Abortion mills are kept open as a necessity, but the churches have been closed.)
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There is a manual with full instruction out there regarding this issue/topic/question,the Bible.


11 posted on 03/25/2020 10:22:05 AM PDT by mythenjoseph
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Well, without them, individuals and societies will experience Hell on earth.


12 posted on 03/25/2020 10:24:39 AM PDT by jjotto (“Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.”)
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No they are not..for Salvation. But they will certainly come into play sort of like a compass/guide until you know the ground tread and the sound of his voice as you walk with Him.

New Christians are called...”Babes In Christ” for a reason...but as they read his word they will understand and grow to maturity in time and tide as our walk is one of faith.


13 posted on 03/25/2020 10:24:48 AM PDT by caww
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That's one of Satan's favorite questions and distractions, just like "Come as you are" !

Read again And read again:
Are we not judged by our INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS ?
Shouldn't judgement begin with US ?

Our ACTIONS matter as we go through this fiery trial, and every action we take, every idle word we speak, we WILL answer for.

And so it has been written, and so IT SHALL BE DONE.

Can you remember reading about "a thorn in their side"?

    "But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you;
      then it shall come to pass,
        that those which ye let remain of them
          shall be pricks in your eyes,
          and thorns in your sides,
          and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
    Moreover
      it shall come to pass,
        that I shall do unto you,
          as I thought to do unto them."

Someone once said: They may be more to it than that.
Doing is important.
I believe the "fiery trial" has already started.
We haven't been very diligent " ... to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses ... "
and there are consequences for our actions and in-actions.
We are living in the time of those consequences.
14 posted on 03/25/2020 10:26:01 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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Matt 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light

Nuff said-


16 posted on 03/25/2020 10:34:11 AM PDT by Bob434
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It’s a fun argument, but I don’t care one way or the other.

To be honest? I never know for sure what someone means when they say “works” or “commandments”.

But, I have read what Revelation 20:12 says:

“And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life.
And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.”
According to Scripture, I am a sinner who believes, and believes in, Jesus and His Father.

Most of the time, I hope my belief might be obvious to anyone by how I live and treat other people and my self ... but ...

I am a natural born sinner and sometimes I don’t struggle with this self-truth as much as might later I wish I had.

Commandments were broken and my works condemn me and I might not even know.

Thankfully for people like me, Jesus is the God of Unlimited Love and Second Chances.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, the sinner.

17 posted on 03/25/2020 10:35:35 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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There is a manual with full instruction out there regarding this issue/topic/question,the Bible.


19 posted on 03/25/2020 10:39:32 AM PDT by mythenjoseph
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Repentance is simply moving from trying to save ourselves, to recognizing that only Christ can save us- it’s not our works that save- is our repentance- or rather our change of mind- When we recognize that Christ is the only one Who can save, and humble ourselves before Him and ‘Believe on His name’ by asking Him to be our savior, since we now recognize we can’t be our own savior- we become a child of God at that moment- We move from self sacrifice, to Christ Sacrifice- We humbly admit we can not save ourselves, and throw ourselves on His Mercy, His grace-

Not unlike a person who owes a great debt they can never pay back throwing themselves o n the mercy of the one they owe the debt to, asking to be forgiven, knowing they don’t deserve to be- because they are incapable of paying the price themselves- That is when Christ steps in and Says ‘Your debt is forgiven you- forever’ ‘Paid in full!’


22 posted on 03/25/2020 10:42:18 AM PDT by Bob434
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Are Works And Commandments Necessary For Salvation?

The very asking of (and arguing over) that question reveals a dysfunctional, failed paradigm trapped in perpetual bondage.

It's like the one-hired-always-hired attitude. It's the entitlement mentality a government bureaucrat or cliche union employee, the ones with no hope of escaping the daily grind and the grousing about the status quo.

No clue that the place of liberty is found within.

Often it leads to resentment of the guy who has enough and walks out the door to pursue his dreams. The difference is that the dreaming man isn't looking at the clock waiting to punch out. It's not any work at all if it love, so what's an 18 hour day if that's what it takes to get there. He's not even watching that clock anyway.

"Your sins are forgiven so you can get up now," is not a message desired by the disabled-by-choice.

Establishment Jesus is the fake Jesus whom Jesus warned everyone about, but hey if you like your doctrine you can keep your doctrine. Everyone to his preferred concensus conformity comfort zone.

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

24 posted on 03/25/2020 10:44:27 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The pun is mightier than the s-word. Goy to the World!)
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This writer is very good. I wish I knew more about him.

My experience in studying the word, and in prayer, shows me that the conundrum of faith vs works is pretty much obviated when I consider what faith is. I think it is consistent with the whole of scripture to say that faith has 3 parts to it. It may surprise some that it is not simply believing.

Instead I find that faith starts with belief (from the head), then proceeds to trust (from the heart) and manifests itself most fully in obedience (e.g. hands, feet, mouth). It takes all three facets to complete the circuit of faith.

So when James says “faith w/o works is dead”, I think he means that a person may proclaim faith easily; but without putting it into practice, it’s more like an incomplete pass in football, or a foul ball in baseball — it doesn’t count to you for righteousness (as the Word says of Abraham).

Yes, I think this writer and I could have some very healthy and inspiring discussions.


25 posted on 03/25/2020 10:48:04 AM PDT by Migraine
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No. The thief on the cross is your proof.

He repents, accepts Jesus for who He is, asks Jesus for forgiveness, and was SAVED!

“This thief was neither baptized nor partook of the Lords supper he believed and was promised to be with Jesus. He did no works but only believed.”


28 posted on 03/25/2020 11:01:45 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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