[daniel1212]

i.e. the mere use of the word “judgement” allows the listener to make it mean whatever negative they want it to mean, just as the genius use of the phrase “hope and change” by Obama allowed the listener to make it mean whatever positive they wanted it to mean

Wrong. God made the meaning of judgment manifest, versus “hope and change,” using death, and such examples as the Flood, and Sodom, and plagues of Egypt and the Babylonian captivity (which accounts traveled), in illustrating temporal judgment. And further revealed the spiritual reality of judgment in the NT. Peter did not need to use the word Hell in order convey the same by warning unbelievers, "The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool." (Acts 2:34-35)

Pagans were/are given and innate moral sense (Rm. 2) which includes a sense of supernatural consequences for sin.

[cuban leaf]

Wrong. God made the meaning of judgment manifest, versus “hope and change,” using death, and such examples as the Flood, and Sodom...

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My point is that people take it upon themselves to interpret the word “judgement” any way they want, even though, yes, in the bible it is clarified.

That is, as people so often do, we misinterpret scripture when it goes against our world view. We all do it to dome degree, though I hope that as I am aware of that I’m always looking for examples of it in my own belief system so I can root them out.

I used to believe in ECT...