Posted on 06/16/2019 4:55:18 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell
That's a good idea; but; in the mean time; do YOU agree with what JESUS said in this passage of Scripture?
For some it does, as I demonstrated.
I am in communion with those in different denominations, not because of doctrinal stand, but because of the common salvation we share by faith in Christ.
Great.
And so what the heck is the big deal about *being in full communion* anyways? What does it mean and what does it prove? That a whole bunch of people agree with something? So what? Why is that important?
It means slightly different things to different churches. Here, maybe this helps: Full Communion
Yes.
But I was poking at you with 'brains'.
My first urge was to type balls; but that may have offended some of the more sensitive among us.
Much like the challenge aimed at Mormons to produce ANY artifacts found that resulted from The Greatest Battle Mankind Has Ever Seen; maybe just a FEW samples of the oh so many things claimed about 'tradition' would satisfy my curiosity.
And most importantly salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone. Period. Nothing else needed.
What Catholics wholesale fail to realize is what exactly it is that puts believers in communion with each other.
It’s not church affiliation, nor is it adherence to doctrinal positions.
It’s sharing a common salvation that is found by faith in Christ.
When a person is born again, they become a child of God and brothers and sisters in Christ. Church affiliation and doctrinal teachings is all superficial stuff.
The worst we can be accused of is MAYBE making an error in accepting that someone is saved when they are not, which is far better than sitting in judgment and condemnation and damning to hell everyone who does not agree with us as Catholicism and Catholic do so freely.
The pharisees had the letter of the Law down perfectly, and they would have passed any theology exam God gave them if He gave those kind of entrance exams to get into heaven, but they were as lost as could be.
God is far more interested in the matters of the heart than He is in the doctrinal purity that Catholicism hyper-emphasizes so much.
God prefers obedience rather than sacrifice.
Thanks, but it's more about my time being too precious to waste on your projects.
And those aren't rules of worship.
Yes; it was.
So; IYHO; is Call no man father an error or not?
When standing before Christ at last He will care not a whit which earthly denomination we belonged to. He will only care if we have accepted His free gift of salvation won by His death for us on the cross.
I’m stunned!
You DO believe that BELIEVING IN JESUS is the ONLY thing required to get into Heaven?
Millions of the Jaredites are slain in battle—Shiz and Coriantumr assemble all the people to mortal combat—The Spirit of the Lord ceases to strive with them—The Jaredite nation is utterly destroyed—Only Coriantumr remains.
1 And it came to pass when Coriantumr had recovered of his wounds, he began to remember the awords which Ether had spoken unto him.
2 He saw that there had been slain by the sword already nearly atwo millions of his people, and he began to sorrow in his heart; yea, there had been slain two millions of mighty men, and also their wives and their children.
3 He began to repent of the evil which he had done; he began to remember the words which had been spoken by the mouth of all the prophets, and he saw them that they were fulfilled thus far, every whit; and his soul amourned and refused to be bcomforted.
4 And it came to pass that he wrote an epistle unto Shiz, desiring him that he would spare the people, and he would give up the kingdom for the sake of the lives of the people.
5 And it came to pass that when Shiz had received his epistle he wrote an epistle unto Coriantumr, that if he would give himself up, that he might slay him with his own sword, that he would spare the lives of the people.
6 And it came to pass that the people repented not of their iniquity; and the people of Coriantumr were stirred up to anger against the people of Shiz; and the people of Shiz were stirred up to anger against the people of Coriantumr; wherefore, the people of Shiz did give battle unto the people of Coriantumr.
7 And when Coriantumr saw that he was about to fall he fled again before the people of Shiz.
8 And it came to pass that he came to the waters of Ripliancum, which, by interpretation, is large, or to exceed all; wherefore, when they came to these waters they pitched their tents; and Shiz also pitched his tents near unto them; and therefore on the morrow they did come to battle.
9 And it came to pass that they fought an exceedingly sore battle, in which Coriantumr was wounded again, and he fainted with the loss of blood.
10 And it came to pass that the armies of Coriantumr did press upon the armies of Shiz that they beat them, that they caused them to flee before them; and they did flee southward, and did pitch their tents in a place which was called Ogath.
11 And it came to pass that the army of Coriantumr did pitch their tents by the hill Ramah; and it was that same hill where my father Mormon did ahide up the records unto the Lord, which were sacred.
12 And it came to pass that they did gather together all the people upon all the face of the land, who had not been slain, save it was Ether.
13 And it came to pass that Ether did abehold all the doings of the people; and he beheld that the people who were for Coriantumr were gathered together to the army of Coriantumr; and the people who were for Shiz were gathered together to the army of Shiz.
14 Wherefore, they were for the space of four years gathering together the people, that they might get all who were upon the face of the land, and that they might receive all the strength which it was possible that they could receive.
15 And it came to pass that when they were all gathered together, every one to the army which he would, with their wives and their children—both men, women and children being armed with aweapons of war, having shields, and bbreastplates, and head-plates, and being clothed after the manner of war—they did march forth one against another to battle; and they fought all that day, and conquered not.
16 And it came to pass that when it was night they were weary, and retired to their camps; and after they had retired to their camps they took up a howling and a alamentation for the loss of the slain of their people; and so great were their cries, their howlings and lamentations, that they did rend the air exceedingly.
17 And it came to pass that on the morrow they did go again to battle, and great and terrible was that day; nevertheless, they conquered not, and when the night came again they did rend the air with their cries, and their howlings, and their mournings, for the loss of the slain of their people.
18 And it came to pass that Coriantumr wrote again an epistle unto Shiz, desiring that he would not come again to battle, but that he would take the kingdom, and spare the lives of the people.
19 But behold, the aSpirit of the Lord had ceased striving with them, and bSatan had full power over the chearts of the people; for they were given up unto the hardness of their hearts, and the blindness of their minds that they might be destroyed; wherefore they went again to battle.
20 And it came to pass that they fought all that day, and when the night came they slept upon their swords.
21 And on the morrow they fought even until the night came.
22 And when the night came they were adrunken with anger, even as a man who is drunken with wine; and they slept again upon their swords.
23 And on the morrow they fought again; and when the night came they had all fallen by the sword save it were fifty and two of the people of Coriantumr, and sixty and nine of the people of Shiz.
24 And it came to pass that they slept upon their swords that night, and on the morrow they fought again, and they contended in their might with their swords and with their shields, all that day.
25 And when the night came there were thirty and two of the people of Shiz, and twenty and seven of the people of Coriantumr.
26 And it came to pass that they ate and slept, and prepared for death on the morrow. And they were large and mighty men as to the strength of men.
27 And it came to pass that they fought for the space of three hours, and they fainted with the loss of blood.
28 And it came to pass that when the men of Coriantumr had received sufficient strength that they could walk, they were about to flee for their lives; but behold, Shiz arose, and also his men, and he swore in his wrath that he would slay Coriantumr or he would perish by the sword.
29 Wherefore, he did pursue them, and on the morrow he did overtake them; and they fought again with the sword. And it came to pass that when they had aall fallen by the sword, save it were Coriantumr and Shiz, behold Shiz had fainted with the loss of blood.
30 And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, that he rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz.
31 And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised up on his hands and afell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.
32 And it came to pass that aCoriantumr fell to the earth, and became as if he had no life.
33 And the Lord spake unto Ether, and said unto him: Go forth. And he went forth, and beheld that the words of the Lord had all been fulfilled; and he afinished his brecord; (and the chundredth part I have not written) and he hid them in a manner that the people of Limhi did find them.
34 Now the last words which are written by aEther are these: Whether the Lord will that I be translated, or that I suffer the will of the Lord in the flesh, it mattereth not, if it so be that I am bsaved in the kingdom of God. Amen.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/ether/15
And yet the BOOK says...
Ether 14:22
And so swift and speedy was the war that there was none left to bury the dead, but they did march forth from the shedding of blood to the shedding of blood, leaving the bodies of both men, women, and children strewed upon the face of the land, to become a prey to the worms of the flesh.
What other Catholics were talking to you about this to say the Catholics wholesale fail...? When we are talking about full communion of Protestant churches, that may be true from some, but not for others, as demonstrated.
Exactly.
It's in scripture, so is not an error.
You seem to be bold enough to state your opinion about what things are or not; but then what has ROME called them?
Amen (you fellow New Yorker)!
placemarker
I agree with others that it’s the Holy Spirit. Once I went from Catholic to Lutheran, I read the Bible and fully believe even Mary would be (probably is) embarrassed at the attention focused on her more than at her Son.
As an ancient Roman civilization enthusiast, I believe that the cult of Mary was encouraged as the cultures of that time had a similar mother goddess and child, the same as Christian holidays overlapped pagan ones.
My Projects?
YOU made the claim (I just saw someone use this phrase) that there existed a "lengthy list".
And, that you knew of no one that had the time to post it for us.
I don't know who has the time to compile that lengthy list.
Then I imagine that Rome has a very good reason that it allows it's members to ignore the very words of Jesus that it placed into the Book it assembled so long ago.
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