Posted on 01/27/2018 6:52:30 AM PST by tiredofallofit
Okay, so there is more than just one problem with the KJV Only movement. I know that. But having grown up in a KJV only church, there is one major problem that sticks out to me above the rest. It is not just a major problem; it is an insurmountable problem. And it drives me crazy.
If the King James Version, which is a 1611 English translation of the Bible, is truly the only infallible, inerrant, and inspired Word of God, then what about the billions of people who have lived and died and never understood a word of English? At this very moment, there are more than 6 billion people in the world who understand little or no English.
And lest we forget, it wasn’t until 1455 that the first Bible was printed (on the Gutenberg Press) and then much later into the 16th century before the Bible became affordable and widely available. These early Bibles were printed in Latin. This begs an important question. Did the Faithful over the centuries who either never had access to the Bible or had to read it in Latin go to hell because they never held the King James Version in their hands?
By claiming that the King James Version is God’s only chosen version, the KJV Only crowd is dismissing tens of centuries of Christendom and implying that the majority of the world populations today cannot know the truth of God’s word. Such a claim is arrogant and nonsensical. Most of these KJV types proclaim their adherence to “Sola Scriptura” yet nowhere in the King James Version does it tell us which version is the true one. Many of these same people also express their disdain for the”traditions of men” while at the same time swearing allegiance...
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( By the way no italics here.) There are problems with all translations. But at least with the KJV the problems are well known. The good news is that scripture corrects scripture and there are no contradictions, being that the Bible is Gods word. Funny thing, I was studying one of those supposed contradictions when I was going over the "first day of the week" mistranslation.
“Why not just accept that there are contradictions in the text?”
Because it is better to determine why.
It could be an error.
It could be a misunderstanding on my part.
It could be that the subject changed to a higher truth.
I'm not sure I follow.
Do you begin with the assumption that textual contradictions must reconcile somewhere?
They usually do reconcile.
The key is to focus on Jesus’s most important truths. #1 God is Love.
Early Christians did not see a contradiction, because they were Jewish, and understood the Jewish feast day's and calendar. But how long has the Gentile Church been celebrating Good Friday? (There is no possible way to count 3 days and 3 nights between Friday evening and Sunday morning.) The Bible is clear, although mistranslated in a few places based on an incomplete understanding,(like in Mathew 28 where it says after the Sabbath the women went to the tomb. The Greeks is plural Sabbaths.) Call them Gentilisms. And there is no contradiction.
Thanks so much for sharing with us that wonderful exposition God’s Spirit has given to you.
It doesn’t make sense to me, either, as somebody newly Saved. I was reading NIV for a short time, but on a website called Jesus Is Savior, I read that there are instances in which the NIV appears to alter the meaning of certain KJV phrases. I must admit, “God made manifest in the flesh” (KJV) sounds much more descriptive and elegant than “he appeared in the body” (NIV).
There’s a beauty and a majesty to the KJV that’s just right somehow, but then again I grew up with that translation. There are perfectly fine modern translations for those who struggle with the sometimes archaic language usages, but to me they fall flat, they just don’t soar and inspire as the KJV does, and shades of meaning are lost.
Good point. That translation came out at roughly the same time Shakespeare was writing plays, and those English-speaking people spoke much differently from us in modern times, obviously.
How do you deal with a contradiction where an event is attributed to two different known dates? Matthew says Jesus was born in the reign of Herod the Great who died in 4 BC. Luke says he was born when Quirinius governed Syria. Quirinius took office in 6 AD. Those administrations are separated by 10 years. One of the Gospels has to be wrong.
That’s because only the original texts are inerrant, everything else is a translation. That’s not to say the Word of Gos isn’t Holy in any language. When you are dealing with a translation there will always be room for improvement and changes in language require more modern versions be produced.
The thing that makes the KJV special is it was the first Bible that could be mass produced and put into the hands of the common person. Prior to this, it was very expensive to own not only a Bible, but any other book.
I can’t even imagine how you would get the KJV into the hands of someone who only spoke Japanese. Therein lies the problem of KJV only. It robs non English speaking people of having a version of Holy Scripture accessible to them. Not to mention what do you do with the old Hebrew, Greek, and Arabic scrolls.
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You have it somewhat backwards.
Grace is solely for those that have willingly obeyed!
That is the point Yeshua made in Matthew 7:23. The workers of iniquity (those that reject his laws) he does not “know.” That is to say he has no relationship with them.
For those that willingly seek to follow the covenant, he writes it on their hearts.
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>> “It does? What verse would that be?”
Many, but the clearest is Matthew 7:23. The workers of lawleessness have opted out.
There is only one covenant. That covenant was renewed in Yeshua’s sinless blood, which was the promise at Sinai when it was given to all of Israel.
Ephesians 2 doesn’t say that grace saves, it says that faith saves. Faith is the keeping of the plan he offered. It is the sole path to the righteousness of Yehova that unlocks the Kingdom to us. It is the grace of Yehova that makes that obedience perfect by writing it on our hearts.
No grace will be offered to those that reject his covenant. As Paul stated in Romans: not hearers but doers will be justified. That is exactly what grace is.
Obedience is not “works.” Works, in general in the NT is the keeping of the false laws (takanot and ma’assim) of the pharisees, the burden that could not be borne.
There is no “messianic covenant.” Jeremiah and John both agree, the new is the old, written on the heart. The covenant was renewed with the kehillah, the remnant of Yehova from the beginning to the end. There is no division anywhere in the word, but between the words of lies, and the word of truth.
We must stop inheriting the “lies wherein there is no profit” and begin to sojourn with Israel.
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Anyone who has corrected their ways, no matter what the have done, is forgiven and the slate wiped clean by Grace if the heart is sincere.
Many scriptures supporting this. Even the last hour arrivals for the vineyard workers.
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Acts 15 is a course in how to learn Torah.
The temporary minimal path has to yield to hearing Moses read, preferably by someone that understands what Moses taught, rather than the “inherited lies.”
As Yeshua made plain in Matthew 5, Torah is for as long as the Earth exists. Its our path to the garment without which we cannot be admitted to the wedding feast.
Be a “wise virgin.”
Please reread Matthew 7 again. We are saying two different things.
Matthew 7 refers those who claim to know Jesus but do not know Him. These are people who have never asked for Grace.
Yes. And all accept THE way, THE Truth, and THE life. One, not many
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>> “One of the Gospels has to be wrong.”
Or possibly misunderstood.
The alignment with astronomic events sides with Matthew.
Luke was not a disciple of Yeshua, and got his information handed down to him by people that were not themselves literate.
All that we have of the NT writings other than Matthew, are copies of copies, of coies... and in most cases translations from the native language into Greek, likely through the assistance of Pharisee sages that were not believers!
Fortunately in the case of Matthew’s gospel, there are still copies in the native language spread throughout the world. (and still not much discrepancy with the other gospels)
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There are over a billion Catholics. Of course there will be differences of opinions.
But we can be confident that the Church, "The pillar and foundation of Truth" will be guided by the Holy Spirit and always teach the Truth. That is what Christ promised
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