How to Think About Luther?

Crisis Magazine ^ | July 12, 2017 | James Kalb

[Luircin]

Then why you throwing a fit and attacking other Christians who believe the same thing?

Am I just not getting sarcasm?

[RegulatorCountry]

Again, historical accuracy is important, upon that I agree. However, was Luther’s writing upon this matter held as doctrine? Other than historical accuracy, is there a reason to include it in religious instruction? I’d say there’s good reason to avoid it, from a religious instruction standpoint.

There sometimes is ugliness in history and religion is far from immune. Roman Catholics teach a whitewashed, distorted version of their church history, I see it regurgitated practically daily here. The same is true of the Mormons, I see no acknowledgement of some of their uglier episodes, all I see is a rather put-upon attitude that only they have been persecuted.

Various so-called Protestant denominations aren’t necessarily pure as the driven snow historically, either, particularly those who fell into the old State Church habit. Such sanitized history, though, is only human, and humans are fallen and sinful, as you are and as I am, as every single human being who has ever walked the face of this earth save Jesus Christ himself has been.

Again, have you considered forgiving them? It’s clearly eating at you. Carrying that around is not beneficial. Forgive so you will be forgiven. Forgiveness does not connote acceptance of sin, not in the least. But, you’re letting go of the blame, the anger, the poison.

Sounds as if you need to do this.

[fortes fortuna juvat]

>> he complained that every, “plow boy has become his own pope” interpreting the subset of the Bible Luther retained any way they liked.

Yes, that deranged Augustinian monk saw with horror the fruits of his OWN apostasy, but he was too prideful to admit his responsibility. As is surely true, PRIDE GOETH BEFORE THE FALL!

[HLPhat]

“...such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts”

http://www.google.com/#q=Luther+Jews+and+their+Lies+Farts

Who?

[HLPhat]

>>However, was Luther’s writing upon this matter held as doctrine?

It doesn’t matter if it’s “doctrine” when children are taught to regurgitate Luther word for word first thing every morning.

Excuses. Ever have a drill sergeant explain which part of anatomy those smell like?

[boatbums]

Luther’s curse on the teachings of Christ has sent many souls to Gehenna

Prove it.

I always shake my head when I read such ignorant statements like that. As if ANY man OR organization could thwart the will of God who is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him! Does LDS (Luther Derangement Syndrome) affect a person's ability to THINK before they blabber on???

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Who?

At this juncture, your posts are coming across as deranged. Good luck with that!

[RegulatorCountry]

OK, you’re perfect, but Lutherans are all horrible, horrible people who intentionally deluded you. I guess you’ll go to your grave denouncing them?

[HLPhat]

>>At this juncture, your posts are coming across as deranged.

At this juncture, you’ve evidently never read Martin Luther’s scripturally referenced diatribe against the Jews.

[BipolarBob]

and was not nailed to the church door as is commonly believed.

I've read something similar.

[HLPhat]

>>Christians who believe the same thing?

Ask the dominion assuming Vestigial Roman parrots in Saint LouISIS about who's allowed to believe what in "THEIR" body of Christ.

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[Luircin]

I’ll stick with Padre Pio and his vision of Luther in hell because of his pride.

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Wow.

Just... wow.

I can’t believe how gleeful you seem to be that you think that someone who Jesus loves and died for is burning in Hell.

Of course, ‘Padre Pio’ is a liar of the first order, but I’m more shocked how eager some Catholics seem to be to condemn everyone else to hellfire.

So much for love thy neighbor.

[HLPhat]

>>I guess you’ll go to your grave denouncing them?

I denounce what's willfully, negligently, excluded from their "teaching" curriculum.

Luke 17:1-4

17 Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. 2 It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. 3 So watch yourselves.

"If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. 4 If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him."

NIV

[aMorePerfectUnion]

"At this juncture, you’ve evidently never read Martin Luther’s scripturally referenced diatribe against the Jews.

Absolutely no point. I've already conceded that Blessed Father Luther was a fallen, sinful, vile man. So if that is the totality of your argument, which is all I've seen, we agree. Big deal.

Exactly the sort Christ came to save!

"It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all."

- I Timothy 1:15

Exactly the sort of man God uses!

[Luircin]

What is your beef with Lutherans, huh?

You don’t seem to be Catholic; in fact, your claim of the ‘priesthood of all believers’ is a thought that comes from Luther.

So why you spreading your nasty bile all over the thread?

[Luircin]

Heh.

Uh-huh. “Established the canon.” Then why did Trent feel the need to establish it if they already had a solid canon?

Oh right, because they didn’t HAVE a canon until AFTER they needed to establish one for an excuse to slam Dr. Luther.

Heh.

[RegulatorCountry]

What are your sins, HLPhat? Do any particular abiding challenges as far as sin for you spring to mind?

[Luircin]

Ah.

The more you talk, the more it sounds like someone who’s just throwing a tantrum because of a teacher he didn’t like in grade school.

This is growing less infuriating and more pathetic, really.

[HLPhat]

>>Absolutely no point

Here was Luther's point:

"Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?"

http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres9/Luthereng.pdf

Will they likewise dance on October 29 if Luther the ICON farts during dinner?

[Luircin]

Does LDS (Luther Derangement Syndrome) affect a person’s ability to THINK before they blabber on???

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You know, my grandparents are Catholic and I’ve never heard anything like that from them.

But from what I hear from the Catholics on FR threads, it’s almost the same word-for-word rhetoric coming from the insane liberals who are screaming on and on about muh Russia.

I don’t know what kind of straw man they created, but it’s not Dr. Luther. It’s like Luther is the Emmanuel Goldstein of Catholicism. They HAVE to have someone on the outside to hate, or else the masses will see the corruption on the inside.

I’m still amazed at how much angrier Catholics are at Dr. Luther than they are at the Pope who is turning a blind eye to sodomy cocaine orgies in the Vatican.