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The Pope on Luther and Lutherans
St. Louis Catholic ^ | June 15, 1520 | Pope Leo X

Posted on 01/26/2016 7:32:29 PM PST by ebb tide

"Rise, Peter, and fulfill this pastoral office divinely entrusted to you as mentioned above.

Give heed to the cause of the holy Roman Church, mother of all churches and teacher of the faith, whom you by the order of God, have consecrated by your blood. Against the Roman Church, you warned, lying teachers are rising, introducing ruinous sects, and drawing upon themselves speedy doom. Their tongues are fire, a restless evil, full of deadly poison. They have bitter zeal, contention in their hearts, and boast and lie against the truth.

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Moreover, because the preceding errors and many others are contained in the books or writings of Martin Luther, we likewise condemn, reprobate, and reject completely the books and all the writings and sermons of the said Martin, whether in Latin or any other language, containing the said errors or any one of them; and we wish them to be regarded as utterly condemned, reprobated, and rejected. We forbid each and every one of the faithful of either sex, in virtue of holy obedience and under the above penalties to be incurred automatically, to read, assert, preach, praise, print, publish, or defend them. They will incur these penalties if they presume to uphold them in any way, personally or through another or others, directly or indirectly, tacitly or explicitly, publicly or occultly, either in their own homes or in other public or private places.

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Therefore we can, without any further citation or delay, proceed against him to his condemnation and damnation as one whose faith is notoriously suspect and in fact a true heretic with the full severity of each and all of the above penalties and censures.

Yet, with the advice of our brothers, imitating the mercy of almighty God who does not wish the death of a sinner but rather that he be converted and live, and forgetting all the injuries inflicted on us and the Apostolic See, we have decided to use all the compassion we are capable of. It is our hope, so far as in us lies, that he will experience a change of heart by taking the road of mildness we have proposed, return, and turn away from his errors. We will receive him kindly as the prodigal son returning to the embrace of the Church.

Therefore let Martin himself and all those adhering to him, and those who shelter and support him, through the merciful heart of our God and the sprinkling of the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ by which and through whom the redemption of the human race and the upbuilding of holy mother Church was accomplished, know that from our heart we exhort and beseech that he cease to disturb the peace, unity, and truth of the Church for which the Savior prayed so earnestly to the Father. Let him abstain from his pernicious errors that he may come back to us. If they really will obey, and certify to us by legal documents that they have obeyed, they will find in us the affection of a father's love, the opening of the font of the effects of paternal charity, and opening of the font of mercy and clemency."

--Pope Leo X, Exsurge Domine


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: francis; francischurch; frankenchurch; luther
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To: BipolarBob
Nowhere did I say that. Also Peter was not one of your phony Popes. Nowhere does he claim that title nor was it offered by anyone with authority. As you may recall that his calling was preaching to the Jews. He was a Jew himself.

I see. Are YOU the judge of those "phony Popes"???
Do you have a list of the "phony Popes" and the TRUE popes? It must be an interesting list.

If you ever go to St. Peter's Bascilia in Rome, there is a list of Popes...and yes, they ARE engraved in granite. Of course, you probably won't ever go there. It's MUCH easier to just bash the holy pie outta them from you nice desk at home.

WHY do you even care about the Catholic Pope? How does he affect your life? Or do you have so little going on in your own religious and personal life that you have to BASH the earthly leader of Earth's 1.2 BILLION Catholics. [Googled it.]

P.S. Oh, was Peter Jewish? LOL! You are amusing.
There MUST be some human soul SOMEWHERE on this planet who didn't know that St. Peter was Jewish. He was a fisherman, too. Did you know that? :o) Jesus made him a fisher of men.

Thanks for the chuckle, BB.

41 posted on 01/26/2016 9:08:47 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Source please.


42 posted on 01/26/2016 9:09:54 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I’m sure when the source is posted FOR YOU, you will hurry right there to read more. LOL


43 posted on 01/26/2016 9:11:17 PM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Salvation

And if you actually read any of the posts you would know sources since they are right there for simple minds to see: example from #8 above: Augustine, Exposition 2 of Psalm 31, 2-4.)


44 posted on 01/26/2016 9:12:53 PM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Salvation; MHGinTN

Sources are in parenthesis beneath each quote. Except for a few of the books and the kindle book, most can be found at such websites like newadvent.org by simply going to Augustine’s name, finding the book, and looking up the chapter.


45 posted on 01/26/2016 9:13:41 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: ebb tide

If he isn’t catholic then what is he? I don’t understand.


46 posted on 01/26/2016 9:15:24 PM PST by AIL
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Then the answer is NO, or it is your own personal religion. Thanks for the reply.


47 posted on 01/26/2016 9:21:53 PM PST by Daffy
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To: MHGinTN
Sadly, you don't appear to have a clue as to what links all believers, regardless of the ISM or the denomination. It is not 'being a Catholic'. It is the Spark of God's Holy Spirit in the born from above human spirit. The other numerous errors in your assertions aren't worth exposing since any born from above member of His Body, His Ekklesia will see them immediately and see through your ISM-ism.

The assembly, Ekklesia, of God does actually include this planets 1.2 BILLION Catholics, whether you like it or not. It's NOT your call.

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Thank goodness.

And defrocked Catholic priest Father Martin Luther was accused of heresy. God will be his judge, not you. Personally, I believe that he was a good man and that he would be very distressed at what his heresies wrought in the Catholic Church he was brought up in. HE offered Mass, heard confessions, performed baptisms...all the Catholic rituals long before he was defrocked.

I visited the castle at Wartberg, a hill in Baden Wurttemberg, Germany. It was where he was living. I saw the famous "ink spot" where Father Luther threw his ink pot at Satan, who was tempting him.
It's the place where he translated the New Testament of the Bible into German,

As for "having a clue," lol, YOU judge ME. Well, that is just dandy. You like judging people, I guess. Are you a judge in your every day life?

48 posted on 01/26/2016 9:24:50 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Who in the world was Martin Luther to demand of the Catholic Church anything? What position of authority did he hold?


49 posted on 01/26/2016 9:26:47 PM PST by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: ebb tide

Give it up,you ask questions but never answer them.
According to the the Congregation for the Clergy, his priestly faculties (jurisdiction permitting celebration of the sacraments) have been suspended and his appeal of that suspension rejected by the highest Church court, the Apostolic Signature
Father Gruner
http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/fr_gruner.htm


50 posted on 01/26/2016 9:33:02 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Daffy

I have no idea what your post is about


51 posted on 01/26/2016 9:37:35 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: cloudmountain

Nice try at deflection but you know full well that not only am I not your judge but you will be judged by the one who sees through your smokescreens instantly. Your tired old saw has zero effect, but keep showing your tail every chance you get. It degrades the catholic brand, and that’s a good thing.


52 posted on 01/26/2016 9:37:53 PM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: ebb tide
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." - John 13:34-36
53 posted on 01/26/2016 11:20:07 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

That’s an impressive collection!


54 posted on 01/27/2016 12:33:16 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“Elected by Cardinals” is more precise than “anointed by bishops.” And certainly we’ve had less than stellar popes before. I think that his papcy, for me at least, is a challenge to docility because I find him hard to take sometimes.


55 posted on 01/27/2016 12:38:49 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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To: cloudmountain
Perhaps you are saying that the Catholic Church's FIRST pope, St. Peter, will be experiencing hell before Luther??

Peter was never in Rome, he was never a pope. His ossuary was found in Jerusalem, confirmed by renowned Catholic archaeologist Milik. Look him up, I dare you. The Catholic Church will not allow whoever's bones are in St Peter's to be studied because they know they are not Peter's. The Catholic Church was founded by Simon Pater, impersonating Simon Peter, after being rebuked by Peter in Samaria. It is a false Babylonian religion, integrating Christianity with Babylonian idolatry, it is the whore of Babylon.

56 posted on 01/27/2016 1:10:53 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: cloudmountain
WHY do you even care about the Catholic Pope? How does he affect your life? Or do you have so little going on in your own religious and personal life that you have to BASH the earthly leader of Earth's 1.2 BILLION Catholics. [Googled it.]

Because they spend so much time attacking conservative beliefs. They are an enemy of the conservative movement.

57 posted on 01/27/2016 1:14:44 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Maybe, maybe not.
58 posted on 01/27/2016 2:47:52 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; ebb tide
Yes, but that's interchangeable with Augustinian and Christian.

St. Augustine was a bishop. Does Calvinism have bishops?

St. Augustine said the Mass. Do Calvinists say Mass?

St. Augustine observed the feasts of the martyrs. Do Calvinists observe the feasts of the martyrs?

St. Augustine was a monk and wrote a monastic rule. Do Calvinists have monks?

St. Augustine gave instructions and advice to nuns in Hippo Regius. Do Calvinists have nuns?

You call yourself Augustinian while simultaneously repudiating Augustine's entire life?

59 posted on 01/27/2016 3:16:44 AM PST by Claud
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To: Claud; ebb tide
You call yourself Augustinian while simultaneously repudiating Augustine's entire life?

All of these objections are a combination of ignorant and superficial, and consequently not really worth addressing one by one. Superficial in that, a Bishop who believes in the doctrines of grace that animated Luther and Calvin and all the great reformers is not a Roman Catholic who can condemn Luther, but a Christian on par with Luther, whatever outward pomp he wears or mode of religious practice.

I have long noticed that Catholics are often hung up on appearance, but don't care about the actual doctrines of salvation. They would rather debate you on something irrelevant and worthless, but not on the meaning of scripture, faith, justification, and grace.

60 posted on 01/27/2016 3:30:18 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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