Posted on 01/26/2016 7:32:29 PM PST by ebb tide
"Rise, Peter, and fulfill this pastoral office divinely entrusted to you as mentioned above.
Give heed to the cause of the holy Roman Church, mother of all churches and teacher of the faith, whom you by the order of God, have consecrated by your blood. Against the Roman Church, you warned, lying teachers are rising, introducing ruinous sects, and drawing upon themselves speedy doom. Their tongues are fire, a restless evil, full of deadly poison. They have bitter zeal, contention in their hearts, and boast and lie against the truth.
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Moreover, because the preceding errors and many others are contained in the books or writings of Martin Luther, we likewise condemn, reprobate, and reject completely the books and all the writings and sermons of the said Martin, whether in Latin or any other language, containing the said errors or any one of them; and we wish them to be regarded as utterly condemned, reprobated, and rejected. We forbid each and every one of the faithful of either sex, in virtue of holy obedience and under the above penalties to be incurred automatically, to read, assert, preach, praise, print, publish, or defend them. They will incur these penalties if they presume to uphold them in any way, personally or through another or others, directly or indirectly, tacitly or explicitly, publicly or occultly, either in their own homes or in other public or private places.
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Therefore we can, without any further citation or delay, proceed against him to his condemnation and damnation as one whose faith is notoriously suspect and in fact a true heretic with the full severity of each and all of the above penalties and censures.
Yet, with the advice of our brothers, imitating the mercy of almighty God who does not wish the death of a sinner but rather that he be converted and live, and forgetting all the injuries inflicted on us and the Apostolic See, we have decided to use all the compassion we are capable of. It is our hope, so far as in us lies, that he will experience a change of heart by taking the road of mildness we have proposed, return, and turn away from his errors. We will receive him kindly as the prodigal son returning to the embrace of the Church.
Therefore let Martin himself and all those adhering to him, and those who shelter and support him, through the merciful heart of our God and the sprinkling of the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ by which and through whom the redemption of the human race and the upbuilding of holy mother Church was accomplished, know that from our heart we exhort and beseech that he cease to disturb the peace, unity, and truth of the Church for which the Savior prayed so earnestly to the Father. Let him abstain from his pernicious errors that he may come back to us. If they really will obey, and certify to us by legal documents that they have obeyed, they will find in us the affection of a father's love, the opening of the font of the effects of paternal charity, and opening of the font of mercy and clemency."
--Pope Leo X, Exsurge Domine
Luther did nothing more than point out the errors and sins of the Catholic Church. Which was the same thing Jesus did in the Temple when he ran out the moneychangers. For this he was given a price on his head. Your Popes will experience Hell before Luther.
I read them both. I am a Catholic and I have never heard of a Catholic teaching on “double predestination”.
Are you a Calvinist?
Are you really that dense? Catholic teaching rejects double predestination, which Augustine here teaches. That's what I'm referring to. Catholic teaching also endorses universal grace, which Augustine rejects in explicit, direct words. Catholic teaching also does not teach justification via faith alone.
Are you a Calvinist?
Yes, but that's interchangeable with Augustinian and Christian. I'll take any one of these labels.
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I'm NOT so sure that God was using the defrocked Father Martin Luther so much ... as you can see the list of the thousands of DIFFERENT Protestant denominations that have come and gone over the last 475 years.
Do you really think it was God's plan to have such a HUGE splintering of the Christian faith started 2000 years ago?
AND Protestantism didn't even START until 1540 years after Christ's death and resurrection.
"blessed Luther"? How do YOU know that hundreds of millions have experienced eternal life because of him?
Do you have a special "in" with God about that?
May I kindly ask why it matters. The pope released a video saying that jews, muslims, hindus all worship the same God. If they are ok then why not the Lutherans? If the pope says not to evangelize jews, then the logical conclusion would be to leave Lutherans alone too. Presbyterians, Baptists, etcetera. MamaB says she has a real bible. What does it matter if she has a bible or a koran. Everyone worships the same God according to the Pope Francis.
Feed him.Join with him.I can give you the website.Make sure you donate.
“Do you really think it was God’s plan to have such a HUGE splintering of the Christian faith started 2000 years ago? “
Does God keep His people pure? Yes.
All true believers are united in one body and comprise His Church, regardless of denomination.
“AND Protestantism didn’t even START until 1540 years after Christ’s death and resurrection.”
Well, you are wrong. God has always had His people - especially in the darkest times. They emerged from syncretic paganism circa 1540.
“blessed Luther”? How do YOU know that hundreds of millions have experienced eternal life because of him?
We know because we can read God’s inspired a Word, as Luther did,
“Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.”
“Do you have a special “in” with God about that?”
Yes, as a recipient of His gracious gift, as a son, as a joint-heir with Christ and as one who has the in dwelling Spirit to illumine the Scriptures, I do have an “in” with God. The same way He has made salvation available to all who turn from their sin and attempts at self-righteousness and accept Christ’s sacrifice alone.
Are you equating Luther and Jesus? Jesus had the right to go after those money changers in HIS FATHER'S house.
God will be the judge of defrocked Catholic priest Father Martin Luther, not you. And YOU won't be the judge for ANY pope, no matter how much you dislike them.
Perhaps you are saying that the Catholic Church's FIRST pope, St. Peter, will be experiencing hell before Luther??
God bless you and yours anyway.
I understand and agree with your position. That was the reason for this post: Pope Francis is not Catholic.
That site from which you cut and paste; is that from any religious denomination?
Nowhere did I say that. Also Peter was not one of your phony Popes. Nowhere does he claim that title nor was it offered by anyone with authority. As you may recall that his calling was preaching to the Jews. He was a Jew himself.
Thanks. I had figured you were a Calvinist, just from this thread.
From my end, this discourse with you is finished. Carry on.
Dominus tecum.
I copied and pasted from my own document. All quotes that I have gathered over the years either directly from the books themselves or from websites.
Was Pope Benedict Catholic?
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How does splintering the Christian faith into THOUSANDS of Protestant denominations keep them "pure"? Lol. That really makes no sense at all.
Also, are YOU the judge of what is pure and what is not pure? Who appointed you the "pure" judge? I thought that was God's bailiwick.
And who are YOU to call ALL the popes, from Peter onward, "sycretic pagans"? YOU appoint YOURSELF as their judge? Wow, that is ego. You've made yourself god.
How 'bout that?
May God bless and keep you, son.
By the way, if you just wanted to make a point against your heretic of a Pope Francis, anointed for his position by the Bishops under the direction of the Holy Spirit, and you didn't want to debate anything else, then you should have made this a caucus thread. Weird that you even bothered to challenge me to begin with if you didn't intend to carry through with the challenge.
I can’t post a caucus thread when Luther is in the title. Francis was elected by a college of cardinals, but the Holy Ghost is punishing us Catholics with the result.
Are you a Catholic? You seem so fond of the muslims and their religion. So I have my doubts.
The other numerous errors in your assertions aren't worth exposing since any born from above member of His Body, His Ekklesia will see them immediately and see through your ISM-ism.
Source please.
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