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To: af_vet_1981; Mark17
Can you personally keep these 100% of the time and to the level that Christ elevated these?

Have you ever lusted in your heart/mind? Ever?

A simple yes or no are the only two choices.

235 posted on 11/09/2015 5:30:55 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
Are you publicly affirming or denying the scripture I posted from First John ? Do you believe it or bury it under a rock ?

A simple yes or no are the only two choices.

238 posted on 11/09/2015 7:24:41 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: ealgeone; Mark17; af_vet_1981
It is important to remember when exchanging thoughts with a catholic apologist that the catholic can hold two opposite notions as valid and argue from either perspective.

A catholic will argue that they are not yet saved and then point to the passage from the Bible which appears to require perfect behavior to be in the family of God by the presence of God's Spirit in the human spirit.

If the one to whom they aim such a passage (as seen in a recent post to Mark17) makes claim to have been born from above, the catholic mind can reinforce that catholic notion which teaches them they cannot obtain salvation UNTIL they have gone through the hoops of catholic dogma and even a suffering process where they earn entry to Heaven.

If questioned as to their knowing they are saved (not striving to be saved, but saved as in born from above) the catholic can revert to the passage used to try and negate the assurance of salvation the non-Catholic has (as Mark17 has so beautifully shared) and claim that they, the catholics, know they are not yet saved because they are not yet able to behave perfectly before the Lord, as if ANY but Jesus can do that but that they have yet to arrive at such perfects works.

Catholic minds are stuck on a track which reinforces the false notion that in this life salvation rights may be earned, but so few earn them that purgatory must be applied in order to earn the right to salvation.

Of course the Bible not only assures a reader that they may know immediately that their human spirit has been cleansed from unrighteousness and the Holy Spirit of God entered therein, and the Bible even illustrates this TRUTH with two very powerful scenes of the event (the Day of Pentecost following the Ascension and the house of the Roman Centurion, Cornelius). But those illustrations must be explained away because they contradict the magicsteeringthem declarations which catholic minds must follow for righteousness.

240 posted on 11/09/2015 7:45:08 AM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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