Posted on 07/01/2015 7:13:05 AM PDT by RnMomof7
“.....the whole structure of Revelation is a big Passover liturgy where Christ, the Priest King, the firstborn Son and the Lamb looking as though its been slain conducts and celebrates the heavenly liturgy........ And the earthly liturgy is meant to be a reflection in that, a participation in that.....There is the Lamb looking as though its been slain and making all of the people in heaven priests so they can assist in the offering of the firstborn son of God to the Father and join themselves with it.....”
That’s nonsense.....
The book of Revelation is a “revealing of Jesus Christ”....’He is the key’ throughout the entire book because he was given...” the key of the house of David I will lay on his shoulder; so he shall open, and no one shall shut; and he shall shut, and no one shall open. I will fasten him as a peg in a secure place, and he will become a glorious throne to his fathers house. ( Isa. 22:20-23)
.....”Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in ( Mat. 23:13).
When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open for us, and He will answer and say to you, I do not know you, where you are from. (Luke Luke 13:25)
You made a good-sounding argument except that it’s a circular reasoning that YOU drew the outline of that which “must be believed”.
I would say that all of the words that Jesus spoke in John 6 “must be believed.” And what Jesus said was straightforward; there was nothing circular about it. If you don’t want to believe all of them, that’s between you and God.
I have often reflected on the words of Peter when Jesus asked the Twelve if they also wanted to leave. They understood what Jesus said in the same way that those who left understood it, and I agree they didn’t know what to make of it. But they believed that He was the Holy One of God; and knew that if they stayed with Him, He would reveal to them the meaning of His words.
What Jesus said was not circular reasoning. How YOU outlined YOUR reasoning IS circular; the manipulation of Scripture to match your beliefs rather than comparing the Word of God with the Spirit of the whole Bible to determine what is actually meant.
And He did reveal the meaning! I have posted for you guys the three renderings of the Lord’s Communion. IN EACH Jesus calls the contents of the cup fruit of the vine, not blood, fruit of the vine. He declares the His blood will be the seal of the New Covenant. The blood for sealing a covenant is never drunk. Even the Jews, when making a marriage deal over sons and daughters, only drank from a cup of wine. Those who believe in Him as Savior and Lord are His bride by contract.\, hence the cup of wine to seal the deal, and the fourth cup will be drunk in the Kingdom of His Father, in Heaven, to celebrate the Marriage. Be there or be ... square?
John 6:48-51
Yes, I do believe this is what Jesus Christ said. It’s important for any follower of Jesus to know what He meant”.
RCs say He meant for the RCC to institute the Mass/Eucharist beginning at some date hundreds of years in the future from the day He spoke these words to the twelve disciples that remained.
I say RCs have interpreted these same words from John 6 incorrectly and to their own detriment.
So, you and I do not share the same interpretation of John 6.
I seriously doubt that these ardent apologists for the religion of catholicism will be able to watch the video from *:55 through to 13:50. It will hurt their feelings too greatly as the Truth exposes how they have been deceived. That’s a hard thing to accept, ‘that you have been deceived for lo these many years’, and satan counts on that to capture most souls he will drag away from God’s Grace.
The artists definition and his work does not remotely depict the biblical resurrected Christ...but "something else".
It looks demonic no matter what story line it’s given.
What Jesus said was not circular reasoning.
So you agree with what Jesus says here?
53 Jesus said to them, Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54 Whoever eats[s] my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.
Be there or be ... circular?
For the third time...
Yes, I completely agree that Jesus said those words in John 6 but hear/read them with a different understanding than do you and many Roman Catholics.
Do you want to ask me the same thing again? Don’t.
I’ll post it again: I most definitely believe John 6 is true.
Grotesque thing.
Sorry, I didn’t see your second time before posting.
S’alright.
Yes it is grotesque...repulsive and offensive. Looks like something pagans would have designed centuries ago...or something the environmental weenies would celebrate.
This is how the different Gospel of salvation taught by RCC is foisted upon people ignorant of what the Word declares, that it is by Faith that Salvation happens, and it is immediate and it is forever, because it is based upon The Promise of God Who cannot lie and cannot be defeated.
Only by ignoring the entire Bible and focusing upon just the misinterpretation method of SELECTIVE LITERALISM taught by the RCC can one conclude a pagan ritual is authorized in order to keep your salvation or renew your salvation having dropped it some where/when.
But God allows men and women to try and work their way to obtain Salvation. They will not earn it however, no matter how many Masses or beads or water dunkings or confessionals or purgatory hours they expend.
Salvation is by Faith ONLY so that ONLY the Work of Jesus The Christ is glorified. A catholic insisting that salvation must be obtained through the baptism, sacraments, confessions, and purgatory is purposely ignoring the scenes in Acts where immediate salvation came by hearing The Word of God preached, and immediately God put His Spirit in those believers.
Catholic priests cannot transfer The Work of Jesus to even a sincere catholic. This most Precious of Gifts, the Grace of God in Christ reconciling, can be offered and given ONLY by God's Holy Spirit ... and the divinity of Jesus cannot be magically transubstantiated into a wafer to be placed upon a catholic altar on earth. That is blasphemous. Blasphemers are accursed by their own actions. What O'Brien wrote regarding priests superiority to Jesus is blasphemy. Follow it and the abyss is the only destination.
It is demonic in origin, when one studies where and how the demons will be released from the Earth during the last of the Tribulation. The sculpture is straight from a demonic scene in Revelation ... hideous, yes, but seems appropriate to have it so prominently displayed in The Vatican for the Popes to sit before.
Doncha wish we could cut and paste VIDEO as easily as TEXT?
maybe in Windows 15.3
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