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To: paladinan

Thank you very much for not doubting my sincerity. If forced to choose between sola scriptura and sola ecclesia, I will choose sola scriptura. The Church has made mistakes. The Bible never has.


24 posted on 03/26/2015 12:56:17 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I pray God continues to enlighten your mind and spirit.


26 posted on 03/26/2015 1:02:14 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
If forced to choose between sola scriptura and sola ecclesia,

I'm not sure what you mean, exactly, by "sola ecclesia"; can you expand on that? I'm not confident enough in my guesses to assume that it's a direct parallel with "sola Scriptura".

I will choose sola scriptura.

That is not an option which is open to anyone who values logic. "Sola Scriptura" presupposes that we know the exact contents of "Scriptura" (i.e. the Bible), which Protestants do *not* (they threw out 7 entire books and pieces of at least 2 others); it presupposes that the Bible can be interpreted without any significant error by any given person (though the Bible says that this is not true--cf. 2 Peter 3:16-17; Acts 8:31, etc.), and it supposes that the Bible itself teaches that "the Bible alone is the norm of faith" (which it does not).

Further: "sola Scriptura", which insists that "nothing outside of the Bible [whatever they think that to be] is binding on the Christian conscience", is NOT IN the Bible (and is therefore not fit as a rule to bind your approach to the Bible). One might as well elect a square circle as President of the United States. (Actually, on second thought, that'd be quite a bit better for the country! But I digress...)

The Church has made mistakes.

It depends on how you mean that. If you mean that "people in the Church--even popes and other clergy--have made mistakes (or even sinned grievously)", that would be true. If, rather, you mean that "the Bride and Body of Christ, promised to be preserved indefectible by the Holy Spirit, has made mistakes", then that is not true. Not one of her solemn teachings has contained error, not one of them contradicts any other (or anything in Scripture), and not one has been substantially changed or repealed, in 2000 years. I daresay that Protestantism does not, and cannot, make that same claim--for numerous reasons.

The Bible never has.

Just as an exercise: from where did the Bible (and the list of its true contents) come?
32 posted on 03/26/2015 1:22:07 PM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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