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To: Steelfish
>>Oh so now you play internet theologian but telling us what the Greek translation is?<<

No, I simply point it out so those who care to really know the truth can check for themselves understanding that what the Catholic Church is corrupting what scripture actually teaches.

>>Why don’t you simply accept what all the eminent Protestant theologians who have studied, taught, written, and preached scripture for all of their lives have said when they converted to Catholicism.<<

Because I don't follow some man. We are told to "test the spirits" and "search he scriptures to see if what they teach is so".

>>This is why we have Petrine authority.<<

No, we have scripture and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit so that we don't get led astray by some "petrine" false teachers.

>>The shallow born again nonsense<<

Jesus says without it you won't see heaven.

>>Yet they miss the singular most important teaching of the Church for eternal salvation<<

"believe on the Lore Jesus Christ and you will be saved"

>>The most obvious answer was that the apostles had committed it orally to the Church,<<

Prove that what the Catholic Church teaches today is what was "commited orally" to the "church". Show the documentation.

>>Don’t take my word.<<

You can believe me when I say I don't.

Again, prove that what the Catholic Church teaches today that they claim was "handed down" is exactly what the apostles taught. Documentation please.

220 posted on 02/06/2015 10:28:30 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
...can check for themselves ...

What a HELLISH concept!


Remember PROTESTants, who are trying to crack though the Catholic mindset:

The human mind, when presented with two opposing 'things', will ALWAYS choose the more familiar.

It has NOTHING to do with the 'right' or 'wrong' -ness of the things presented; but how well they KNOW the items.

Thus, the thorough 'schooling' that they receive.

No; they do NOT think of it as indoctrination; because it comes from folks they trust.


What is the fallback excuse for those who do NOT toe the line?


They must have been poorly catechized


238 posted on 02/06/2015 11:28:01 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear; Elsie

Yes, you do play internet theologian and for all the reasons previously stated on this thread.

You reject the fact that before the Bible there is the Church as supported by the writings of the early theologians, we call the Church fathers and by Catholic theologians whose teaching are enshrined as part of the theological curriculum in prestigious universities.

You dispute that there is ONE truth, since everyone and their grandmother, and as Luther would say the milkmaid, can open a Bible and supply their own interpretations. Go try telling Jim Jones and David Koresh that they were wrong? Or Rev. Wright? You don’t have the intepretative authority given exclusively St. Peter ad his successors and to the ONE Church that is universal in its CREDO, its beliefs, and its forms of veneration and worship.

This is evidently by the fact that throw out a swamp of quotations with no clue how these must be read and understood in context of the whole fabric of Christology as others have done and, upon seeing how absurd the interpretations given those quotes you cite have led them to convert to Catholicism.

You refuse to examine the works of those Protestants who have spent a lifetime studying scripture, including early historical sources, those learned in Greek and Hebrew and have found Bible-Christianity not only shallow but absurdly wrong to the point of being illiterate.

By your lights, the early Church fathers, Catholic and Protestant theologians who converted, the saints, the martyrs, the stigmatists, and all those thousands of others from Bobby Jindal to Tony Blair to Jewish Rabbis, and Nobel Laureates, were all wrong.

Can’t you see the sheer preposterous nature of the arguments you advance that they have become a caricature.

Yes, none so blind as those who refuse to see.


254 posted on 02/06/2015 12:04:48 PM PST by Steelfish
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