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Man: The Dwelling Place of God ^ | Some time ago | A.W.Tozer

Posted on 01/16/2015 5:56:35 AM PST by metmom

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To: Zuriel
>>and that it’s done in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins.<<

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for (εἰς) the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

εἰς - Part of Speech: Preposition (aka not a verb) - (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, fig. purpose, result)

Baptism does NOT cause an action it is only a visible sign of and action that has already taken place. The forgiveness of sin happened before the baptising.

I have never said people should not be baptised. We are told to make a public acknowledgement of our confession for which baptism is one. All of your words do not change the fact that the word "for" is a preposition not a verb.

161 posted on 01/17/2015 11:50:58 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Iscool
I see your personal opinion just contradicts the Bible.
162 posted on 01/17/2015 12:05:03 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM; metmom
>>I am not a scientist, but you may be wrong on the blood as blood soaks into the meat, but you still eat the meat.<<

God commanded that the blood be drained on the ground prior to eating the meat. The apostles in the New Testament included the prohibition of eating blood in the few requirements they set forth. Which by the way was after the last supper. Now, do you think God knew what was left in the meat after the blood was drained? Do you really think the apostles would set forth the prohibition against eating blood while thinking they were actually eating blood?

>>But the word of God is very clear and you reject it.<<

No, I understand clearly when Jesus explained to the apostles that what He said was spiritual and was not referring to eating physical real blood. I also understand that Jesus would have been sinning had He actually eaten blood especially as a Jew born under the law. The word of God is very clear on that and you reject it.

>>First, any divine command that comes later modifies divine commands that came earlier.<<

The apostles words to NOT eat blood came after the last supper and Jesus words in Matthew.

>>Second, the command against drinking blood, like all of the Old Testament dietary regulations, has passed away<<

Read Acts 15:20 again. Those did NOT pass away. Never have and never will.

>>We know that these pastoral provisions were only temporary.<<

Show where the prohibition against eating blood was rescinded.

Intersting that you bring up 1 Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 8: But food does not bring us near to God

Yet here you are pleading your case that the Eucharist is bringing you close to God. Hypocrite?

You can try to justify all you want. Jesus was born under the law and thus would have been sinning by eating blood and encouraging others to do so. Take your Catholic magical mystery tour if you wish but don't expect those of us who trust what scripture teaches to ride along or stay silent when you promote your fallacies and corruptions of what it teaches.

163 posted on 01/17/2015 12:16:04 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM; Resettozero

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>> “If you really seek the Truth, the best place is the Catholic Church” <<

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Are you trying to be funny?

The catholic church is almost as much a bastion of untruth as Islam!

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164 posted on 01/17/2015 12:16:23 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ADSUM
Why don’t you address the words of Jesus in the Bible (regarding Baptism, Savation, Eucharist, etc) that non Catholic reject?

Why don’t you address the words of Jesus in the Bible regarding...

What does GOD require of thee?


165 posted on 01/17/2015 1:31:53 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
How does the blood and meat of animals sacrificed to idols compare to Jesus giving us the gift of His Body and Blood?

What 'gift'?

The Jews ate this stuff every year for CENTURIES.

Jesus was telling them what it represented.

After His resurrection it STILL 'represented' His body and His blood.

It never did change, miraculously into His body and His blood.

Your church has POUNDED this 'miracle' into your head so much you are on autopilot; not noticing the big iceberg ahead!

166 posted on 01/17/2015 1:36:19 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Zuriel
There is a whole lot of water baptism in Acts, and it was treated as a very serious and urgent matter.

HMMMmmm...

It's strange that St. Paul didn't seem to feel this way.


1 Corinthians 1:17
For the Messiah did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel,

167 posted on 01/17/2015 1:38:56 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
Again you make statement without substance, only your misguided opinion.

Rome makes statements with various bits and pieces of bible references; and then claims it's own 'authoritative' position to create doctrine.

168 posted on 01/17/2015 1:41:34 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Zuriel
You have to kick out a lot of baptisms in Acts to go your route.

Please print your list of them for the lurkers.

169 posted on 01/17/2015 1:42:24 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
I see your personal opinion just contradicts the Bible.

I see Rome's acceptance of visions by Portuguese children that adds to the Bible.

170 posted on 01/17/2015 1:44:11 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
Well at least you tried to explain your position. It is still your biased opinion.

You are still rejecting the food that Jesus told you was necessary for your salvation. He repeated it because He knew people would not accept His word.

Jesus insisted that His words were literal, yet you reject the Word of God with your own interpretation.

It is amazing how far one can change the Word of God to suit your own religion.

Did you ever read post #55? Any comments?

God trusted the apostles and their successors to spread the Word and baptize in His name and promised to be with them until the end.

Why would I or God trust you? You are full of blarney and your own self-importance.

171 posted on 01/17/2015 1:44:51 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM

Your current pope is beloved by all TRUE Catholics worldwide.


172 posted on 01/17/2015 1:44:51 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
>>Jesus insisted that His words were literal,<<

John 6:..the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Do you even read scripture?

>>Did you ever read post #55? Any comments?<<

You can have your Catholic mystical magical mystery tour.

173 posted on 01/17/2015 1:49:21 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

The first step for the catholics is coming out of denial.


174 posted on 01/17/2015 1:54:56 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Daniel 2 Daniel 7 Daniel 9 Revelation 13 Revelation 16 Revelation 17 Revelation 18)
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To: StoneWall Brigade
>>The first step for the catholics is coming out of denial.<<

It's stunning to watch them either ignore or outright deny what scripture actually says.

175 posted on 01/17/2015 1:58:26 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Yeah it’s very sad to be honest.


176 posted on 01/17/2015 1:59:22 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Daniel 2 Daniel 7 Daniel 9 Revelation 13 Revelation 16 Revelation 17 Revelation 18)
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To: CynicalBear

This current Pope is proven Dave Hunt right with each thing that comes out of his mouth.


177 posted on 01/17/2015 2:02:11 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Daniel 2 Daniel 7 Daniel 9 Revelation 13 Revelation 16 Revelation 17 Revelation 18)
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To: CynicalBear

The true non-believer.

Even disputes science.

Even when God gives you a literal sign, you do not want to accept.

Yes, I read the Catholic Bible and have responded with specific information or quotes, but you seem to provide your opinion or something irrelevant.


178 posted on 01/17/2015 2:19:45 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
>>I read the Catholic Bible<<

The one that says Mary will defeat Satan rather than Christ? The one that says to smear fish guts on your eyes? The one that says it's a shame to have a daughter?

179 posted on 01/17/2015 2:24:34 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM; CynicalBear

Prove the Catholic church never erred


180 posted on 01/17/2015 2:36:41 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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