This post is going to get me in trouble, but I've had about all I can take.
For years I have scratched my head at Jewish liberals who reflexively and almost religiously fight for the most abominable, sick, and filthy causes they can find, all in the name of defending the world from chrstianity. NOW conservative chrstians attack moslems for "homophobia" and "theocracy" and sound just like Jewish liberals, all in the name of defending the world from islam!
Let's get this straight: the only place a "Judaeo-chrstian civilization" exists is in the imaginations of some chrstians who insist on seeing Judaism as a mere historical stage toward the development of chrstianity (you know, like capitalism and socialism set the stage for "pure communism") and whose only use for it is predicated on that mistaken theory. Judaism was authorized by the very Mouth of G-d. It doesn't have to "prepare" for anything "greater." And contrary to what naive chrstians believe, it is a very, very, VERY different religion from chrstianity.
Unlike chrstianity (and like islam, ironically enough), Judaism in its original Biblical form (which is still normative though not possible in the Exile) is a Theocratic religion. Furthermore, unlike chrstianity (at least low church Protestantism) with its "offer of salvation," Judaism is a statutory religion. It is a legal system. And there is nothing that Judaeophilic Protestants hate more than religious laws. (Catholics and Orthodox are more understanding on this point but detest Judaism because it's the "wrong" legal system.)
FReepers like to point out that our rights come from G-d. This means that any "right" not granted by G-d does not exist. Not only is there no "right" to blaspheme (G-d forbid!), but it is actually a capital offense under universal Noachide Law (though not at this time enforceable). This does not mean that these particular moslems were justified in what they did (which was to commit murder, which is a universal capital offense at all times and under all conditions) or that people are allowed to go around killing people (there's a very complex legal system for determining and executing punishments, and the death penalty is actually in practice extremely rare and difficult to enforce). But there is no "right to blaspheme," and even "western civilization" or the Bill of Rights can't create one.
As for the charge that islam is a totalitarian political system "masquerading" as a religion . . . that's what all religions were until the "enlightenment!" This notion that "religion" is separate from life and consists of going to a house of worship one hour a week is a secular, "enlightenment" notion that has helped to create the nihilistic world in which we live today.
Judaism is quite totalitarian. And G-d meant it to be that way. Every aspect of life is regulated by Divine Law. Every layman must recite three prayer services a day every day, whether in a synagogue or elsewhere. Chrstians who "love Judaism" have not the slightest conception what Judaism is about--else why would they make all those jokes about moslems and pigs and expect Jews not to notice or take offense?
And finally, as to the charge of warring against "non-believers" and killing people, have any of you ever read any part of the "old testament" (chas vechalilah!) outside of Isaiah (which you automatically interpret the way the "new testament" tells you to)? Are you aware that G-d A-mighty ordered the extermination of seven separate nations, one of which has yet to be exterminated? Are you aware that when Biblical Israel wished to expand its borders it was required to first demand that the target population accept the Noachide Laws and pay tribute? And do you have the slightest idea what the G-d ordained penalty was for refusing this offer? The target population was to have all its males killed and its females and children seized in perpetual slavery. It's right there in "your" Bible, you so-called "conservatives!!!" My my. I guess the Biblical G-d was just a big meanie. It's certainly a good thing that this was all just temporary and the whole idea was the prepare the world for chrstianity! [/MEGA sarcasm!]
You people don't worship G-d. You worship "western civilization," you worship America, but you don't worship the Biblical G-d!
If this turns out to be my last post on FR, I will miss you all terribly, even if you drive me crazy.
Phinneous, keep the light on.
KC . . . ponis!
You’re obviously not an atheist since you reverence the Almighty with the title “G-d”.
Why should there be enmity between Judaism & Christianity?
Hate to break it to you but Torquemada is dead, Wagner is dead, Hitler is dead, and I don’t feel so good myself.
Guess you don’t care for most Christians in America being pro-Israel. And they’re not all Rapture & Revelation types hoping to see “Left Behind” on the really really REALLY big screen.
My priest once told me that any believing Christian should regard him or herself as part Jewish. The Christian Bible is 77 percent made up of the Hebrew Scriptures.
Jews have to be able to spot their enemies. Wish some could recognize that they have Gentile friends, as well. JS.
Nah, you’ll have to work harder to get kicked out...
The funny thing is, for me particularly (liberal reform assimilated American Jew cum-USNA grad, wartime political convert, seminary student, ultra-right-wing political-relogioso, father of 4 (ka’h) )... The FUNNY thing is that ultimately, as ZC pointed out, we will be a socialist society. Tough to swallow but I’ve accepted that when G-d is perceptible to all who remain, the commies will have ‘won’ in theory... To bad the atheists among them won’t be here... Hehe... Joke’s on them.
In short, the only socialism (and you could say Totalitarianism) I support, is Moshiach socialism.
Ironically, it’s America’s freedoms that finally let the religious Jew and gentile build all the soap boxes we want.
Perhaps, ZC, we have little teeny tiny soap boxes on FR ...
But check out the Web stats for Chabad.org ... :)