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Oh but it is the argument. You introduced Luther in post 5681. It seems to me he is fundamental to your faith, for if he is held to account for his rabid hatred of the Jews, and fails to enter heaven on the basis of Sola Fide, then the reformed religion generally called the Reformation was re-based on error and is illegitimate.

That is absurd, and frankly, it makes RCs look ignorant, stupid or desperate! Most evangelicals are quite in different to Luther, which is consistent with him not promoting a reformed papacy, but elevated Scripture as supreme, and thus they significantly differ with him (who was far more Catholic). However, his antisemitism, or more precisely, anti-judaism, is regularly deplored by those who know of it, though sometimes explained in context.

And many pro Jewish evangelicals are very hard on Luther, such as Michael L. Brown in "Our Hands Are Stained with Blood ," and sometimes seem to fail to consider that Jewish behavior could render them rather hard to love (which again, does not excuse any hatred), even by Moses, but which can apply to all races to varying degrees. Great sinners can make great saints.

And rather than invalidating Sola Fide, if Luther was lost due to impenitent hatred of Jews then it affirms Sola Fide, which teaches the elect are those who die in faith, which worketh by love, taught and showed .

And which has its parallel with popes (and prelates) who not only treated Jews harshly - of which much can be said - but sanctioned torture and death and and required the extermination of "heretics" which would include me. Thus the question, do you, like some other RCs, approve of this, and under Rome's gospel would they go to Heaven if they died affirming this?

Meanwhile, i never expressed to you any weight being upon the character of Luther for my faith, as in fact unlike the papacy, the veracity of what i believe must be based upon the weight of Scriptural substantiation.

And instead my "introduction" of Luther was merely that of a quote from your Ratzinger, explaining, to his credit, the context of the Reformation!

But the mere mention of his name sends RCs as you into a frenzy of vituperations against Luther and irrational argumentation, which seems to me that he is fundamental to their hatred of Protestants and or the faith of Protestantism.

And sure enough, I read hear a defense of his antiSemitism that blames ... the Jews and the Catholics.

"Blames?" You mean making Luther blameless or holding it was inexcusable while providing the context for how this developed, as good historians do, and which i myself allow for negative RC treatment of Jews . But the evidence is that RCs become incapable of objective examination when it comes to those who oppose her.

Yet RCs certainly believe some context and balance should be given when seeing such testimonies as that of Pope Pius XII & the Holocaust , and which should be, and as it is Rome which teaches that the one duty of the multitude is to simply follow the pastors, and they condemn evangelicals for examining the warrant for teachings, then even ordinary papal teachings and actions carry far more weight than those a man who who directed men to look to Scripture above all.

And in explaining anti-Jewish sentiment, a Catholic site admits.

There was much history of bad feelings between Judaism and Christianity. Ninety thousand Christians were slaughtered in 614 AD in Jerusalem, and the Jewish people approved of the slaughter. There were endless scuffles for limited resources, and fighting in places like Alexandria, and whenever there was oppression of Christians in those days, the Jewish people would never come to the defence of Christians, but rather they joined the persecution. Violence between people runs deeps and is long remembered. When Christianity finally dominated Europe, many Christians mistakenly let that rivalry continue rather than welcome Jewish communities among them.

RC apologist Dr. Art Sippo says:

Some "Messianics" exaggerate the animosity of Christians towards the Jews without considering the hatred of Jews towards the Christians. Neither side is innocent of wrong doing in this matter. This story is not black and white, everyone has things they need to repent about. -http://catholicbridge.com/catholic/replacement_theology.php

I can imagine how i would be castigated by some RCs if i ever said that in the context of Prot. anti-Jewish sentiment.

So, yes, I do see Luther as your pope, of sorts.

Then unless "of sorts" means a pope whose teachings the "papists" reject even as to what books are Scripture proper, as well as many other things, and of whom they are largely ignorant of, then you are deceived or dishonest.

And it remains that as i show , the Lord's coming awaits his recognition by all Israel, for a hardening has come upon part of Israel in their unbelief toward Jesus, and that this full inclusion of the Jews will be in the wake of the full number of the Gentiles being saved, though it seems some RCs disagree.