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To: annalex
It is a way to lie about the plain meaning of the scripture.

Good explanation.

Now, how do you explain the ADDITIONS to 'scripture' that Rome teaches?

5,389 posted on 01/07/2015 5:12:29 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

We do not add to the scripture. We teach some things from the scripture and other things from the Holy Ghost directly.


5,411 posted on 01/07/2015 7:52:59 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Elsie; metmom
Thought you might enjoy this excerpt from Peter de Rosa's book, "The Vicars of Christ", taken from chapter 12. De Rosa is a catholic, not a critic.

'Roma locuta est,cause finite est', St. Augustine's phrase, Rome has spoken, the dispute is at an end', is quote endlessly by Catholic apologists. There were many papal heretics. Many popes made unfortunate pronouncements "Gregory the Great said that unbaptized babies go straight to hell and suffer there of all of eternity. Some pontiffs went further. These included Milevis and Gelasius I. Vigilius was the most Hamlet-like of all popes, whose career read like a theatrical farce." To shorten this report, I will just say that the Justinian called Ffith General Council found Vigilius to be heretic because of some of his views and excommunicated him. Honorus was another pope. The Sixth General Council condemned Honorus.

The cursory remarks above are leading to the following.

When Gregory XIII became pope in 1572 the Franciscan Cardinal Montalto retired from public life. It was said he had one foot in the grave. Though retired he had to attend the Sacred College, and it was said he was bowed over and coughed continuously with consumption (TB). He was very sickly. His colleagues at the college argued that he was too young to die and Mantalto was too weak to argue. When Gregory died in 1585 it was obvious to the other 42 Cardinals that Montalto was perfect for the papacy. His diminution would not cause consternation, an he was elected unanimously. The moment he was elected he straightened up and declared, "Now I am Caesar," and took the name Sixtus V. His vitality was such that it was said he did the work of 50 years in 5 years.

He took a high-handed approach to the papacy. The Latin version of the Bible, the Vulgate, was the work of St.Jerome in the fourth century. By the Middle Ages it had pride of place. By then, many false readings had crept in, owing to sleepy copyists. The Council of Trent in 1546 had called the Vulgate the churches authentic version of the Bible. Three years into his pontificate Sixtus appointed a committee to edit the Vulgate. Sixtus was very displeased and a raged and said he would do it himself. He labored, with a single secretary, hour after hour to edit the Vulgate. Sixtus even altered the workings out of the Chapter and verse assignment which had stood for 2 centuries, selecting his own scheme. Sixtus declared,

By the fullness of Apostolic power, We decree and declare this edition....approved by the authority given Us by the Lord, is to be received and held as true, lawful, authentic and unquestioned in all public and private discussions, readings, preachings and explanations.

Months later after the book was delivered to the Cardinals and ambassadors, they were boggle-eyed at the translation errors. Four months later Sixtus was dead. Rome went into a frenzy of delight, but none so elated as his enemies at the Sacred college.

Now they set about as to how to limit the damage. Bellarmine, a retired cardinal, returned to Rome to deal with the fallout. Bellarmine advised the new pope to lie about Sixtus bible. The option were simple.....admit that the pope had erred on a critical matter of the Bible or engage in a coverup whose outcome was unpredictable. Bellarmine advised the latter;

The deceit did not stop there. The question was how to get back the Sixtus versions. How could the issue of inerrancy be handled. Bellarmine did not wish to explain the absence of the Holy Spirit's assistance in the Sixtus Version So the version put together by Bellarmine's group was declared by the pope the official version. Instructions went out to the Inquisition in Venice and to the Jesuit General to scour the printing houses, and private homes, especially in Germany, to save the honor of the papacy. That search had elements of farce. At a time when the Protestants were distributing free Bibles, the Catholic church was desperately trying to buy some back.

The affair of the pope who rewrote the Bible proves once more that the teachings that the pope cannot err creates its own version of history and leads even saintly men (Bellarmine) to lie on its behalf.

5,431 posted on 01/07/2015 11:56:06 AM PST by Texas Songwriter ( Iwe)
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To: Elsie; metmom
Thought you might enjoy this excerpt from Peter de Rosa's book, "The Vicars of Christ", taken from chapter 12. De Rosa is a catholic, not a critic.

'Roma locuta est,cause finite est', St. Augustine's phrase, Rome has spoken, the dispute is at an end', is quote endlessly by Catholic apologists. There were many papal heretics. Many popes made unfortunate pronouncements "Gregory the Great said that unbaptized babies go straight to hell and suffer there of all of eternity. Some pontiffs went further. These included Milevis and Gelasius I. Vigilius was the most Hamlet-like of all popes, whose career read like a theatrical farce." To shorten this report, I will just say that the Justinian called Ffith General Council found Vigilius to be heretic because of some of his views and excommunicated him. Honorus was another pope. The Sixth General Council condemned Honorus.

The cursory remarks above are leading to the following.

When Gregory XIII became pope in 1572 the Franciscan Cardinal Montalto retired from public life. It was said he had one foot in the grave. Though retired he had to attend the Sacred College, and it was said he was bowed over and coughed continuously with consumption (TB). He was very sickly. His colleagues at the college argued that he was too young to die and Mantalto was too weak to argue. When Gregory died in 1585 it was obvious to the other 42 Cardinals that Montalto was perfect for the papacy. His diminution would not cause consternation, an he was elected unanimously. The moment he was elected he straightened up and declared, "Now I am Caesar," and took the name Sixtus V. His vitality was such that it was said he did the work of 50 years in 5 years.

He took a high-handed approach to the papacy. The Latin version of the Bible, the Vulgate, was the work of St.Jerome in the fourth century. By the Middle Ages it had pride of place. By then, many false readings had crept in, owing to sleepy copyists. The Council of Trent in 1546 had called the Vulgate the churches authentic version of the Bible. Three years into his pontificate Sixtus appointed a committee to edit the Vulgate. Sixtus was very displeased and a raged and said he would do it himself. He labored, with a single secretary, hour after hour to edit the Vulgate. Sixtus even altered the workings out of the Chapter and verse assignment which had stood for 2 centuries, selecting his own scheme. Sixtus declared,

By the fullness of Apostolic power, We decree and declare this edition....approved by the authority given Us by the Lord, is to be received and held as true, lawful, authentic and unquestioned in all public and private discussions, readings, preachings and explanations.

Months later after the book was delivered to the Cardinals and ambassadors, they were boggle-eyed at the translation errors. Four months later Sixtus was dead. Rome went into a frenzy of delight, but none so elated as his enemies at the Sacred college.

Now they set about as to how to limit the damage. Bellarmine, a retired cardinal, returned to Rome to deal with the fallout. Bellarmine advised the new pope to lie about Sixtus bible. The option were simple.....admit that the pope had erred on a critical matter of the Bible or engage in a coverup whose outcome was unpredictable. Bellarmine advised the latter;

The deceit did not stop there. The question was how to get back the Sixtus versions. How could the issue of inerrancy be handled. Bellarmine did not wish to explain the absence of the Holy Spirit's assistance in the Sixtus Version So the version put together by Bellarmine's group was declared by the pope the official version. Instructions went out to the Inquisition in Venice and to the Jesuit General to scour the printing houses, and private homes, especially in Germany, to save the honor of the papacy. That search had elements of farce. At a time when the Protestants were distributing free Bibles, the Catholic church was desperately trying to buy some back.

The affair of the pope who rewrote the Bible proves once more that the teachings that the pope cannot err creates its own version of history and leads even saintly men (Bellarmine) to lie on its behalf.

5,432 posted on 01/07/2015 11:56:06 AM PST by Texas Songwriter ( Iwe)
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