Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
“you really should re-evaluate your religious training!! “
As Mark17 shared in earlier posts, he left religion when he came to trust Christ alone for salvation. I doubt anyone sane would give up Christ for “religious training.”
My level of humility has nothing to do with anything, It is the Catholic church which is correct 100% of the time and has no need to be humble in that regard...
I stand by my post. You repeated your earlier talking points without refuting mine. The main point remains that St. Paul makes reference to the physical body of Christ on the cross, which means that he, St. Paul, had Catholic views on the nature of the Eucharist. You are left pondering why Pauline ecclesiology brings up the sacraments of the Church; Protestant set of superstitions of course is not capable of explaining that.
One thing your brought up anew: situations exist when people cannot come to Communion because they live too far from any church, or due to the shortage of priests, or due to oppression. The Church still asks them to come to church once a year, preferably on Easter. Physical inability to do so is of course not a sin, so long as reasonable effort to come to confession and to Mass is made. If there is no such effort, and physical possibility exists, yes, that would end up excommunicating the Catholic who isolates himself.
That is a stupid proposition.
Catholics IGNORE the seven CATHOLIC churches in Asia that were BADLY in error!
did Jesus say that?
Then I can expect you to never comment on mine in the future.
did Jesus say that???
No, that is NOT what it is about at all. You've spent the last month on this thread - and further back than that on other threads - discussing with me and others about various topics, but only now are bringing up the "woman as teacher" card when you have nothing left to argue with and you can't get anyone to budge. If you truly were at all concerned with your "authority" being usurped, you wouldn't have entered into the conversation in the first place. If you didn't know I was female, you would not have had even THAT to toss out. I'll bet the non-Cath guys really throw you for a loop! Who knows how many women you are arguing with here and you don't even know it? I'd suggest if that makes you feel icky and impotent, you ought to stay away from this forum.
It is disingenuous to come unto an anonymous Internet forum, one that uses screen names instead of actual names, and demand everyone kowtow to your sensitivities. You've been told before by the Religion Moderator to back off of your badgering demands for denominational affiliation, yet here you are making a big deal out of it again so you can hide behind that instead of admitting you stepped in a big steaming pile you left by asserting your dominance over Freeper women who happen to disagree with you!
How many times do you have to be told that a person is representing the faith teachings of Scripture and THAT is what should be judged rather than what church one attends? If all you have to back up your authority for what you teach is that your "church" backs you up, then you already know that won't hold much weight here if you can't back it up with Scripture. You despise what you call sola Scriptura, but you want to cling to it if you think it can impugn someone else's beliefs.
Here's a NEWSFLASH...Free Republic isn't church! In Paul's day, there were women teachers, deacons and leaders within the early church! Some churches met in the homes of these women and they were big financial supporters of the missionary works of the Apostles. Timothy learned quite a bit from his mother and grandmother about the faith. What Paul decried was NOT knowledgeable, godly women teaching, but those who were unlearned and who disrupted services by shouting questions back and forth with their husbands. These women, Paul said, were to wait until they got home to ask their husbands and to be silent in the church. Women were not to be pastors in churches because this is a position of power and authority because God designed men to be the leaders in both the church and their homes. Specifically, women were not to "usurp", or to instigate conflict or lord it over a man. Sadly today there are far too many men who take no interest in learning about the faith and teaching their families and women have to pick up the slack. Times sure have changed!
That is simple. Each time there is a passage inconvenient for a Protestant, — like the teaching on the Real Presence in 1 Cro. 11, or negation of salvation by faith alone in James 2, — the following happens.
I simply repeat citing the text, which says what it says.
My Protestant opponent either changes the topic altogether or he begins discussing some passages elsewhere that, he thinks, invalidate the inconvenient one. When all that does not cause me to shift the focus, he whips out the Wonder Weapon: Hermeneutics. Because the word sounds kinda learned at least he can run off with a semblance of making an argument.
But of course all that he accomplished is to refuse to discuss the key passage because doing so would violate some mysterious Hermeneutics. In short, Protestant hermeneutics is an instrument by which they ignore the Bible.
OK.
Read John 1 to see who Jesus is and your questions will be answered.
I find it incredibly sad, and warped, that men concocted a doctrine of total depravity which they vainly try to apply to this brave woman, who stood for Him before He was even conceived, and stood with Him even at death. There is much about this Holy a Family not yet revealed.
I understood you perfectly' but then I pretty much know what your belief system is thus do not read negativity into what you say!
Boy! Wouldn’t THAT go over big?! ;o)
What DID surprise me was the lack of RC women standing up against discrimination like that. I don't doubt it would hit the fan if one of the non-Catholic men asserted the same thing to one of them! That women have equal rights is a Christian theme - we are all one in Christ Jesus where there is neither male nor female, Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. It's sad when so-called Christians deny that.
LOL, we could have a debate on pre trib, post trib. Maybe someone could start a thread on that, because I am not sure which one is true. There are good arguments on both sides. I know that when I was a catholic, I didn't even know there was anything called the book of Revelation. Maybe I should have, but I didn't. What I feel about pre or post trib, does not affect my eternal standing with God. When the wonderful, fantastic Navigators told me the truth, as the greatest American evangelist, Dwight Moody said, (paraphrased) that people read your lives more than they read the Bible. It was certainly true with me. I paid more attention to their pure lives, than I paid attention to what they were telling me. I have said it a thousand times. Let me say it for the thousand and first time. I don't care what you or anyone thinks about communion, water to wine, pre trib, post trib, upon this rock. I don't care. All I care about, is where will we spend eternity. Nothing else matters. Now, let me say this as well, when I was dealing with those great people with the Navigators, I could see that their lifestyles were 100% better than mine, and I wanted to understand it, and I wanted a piece of the action. One thing people can't see on FR here, is a miraculously changed life of one who comes to Christ in simple faith, though I am sure these others I pinged know exactly what I am talking about. Terry, I have said it several times, let me say it again. You and I are just going to have to agree to disagree, but it might turn out to be an eternal disagreement. Notice I included boatbums and Metmom, my two favorite ladies on FR RF. I can't remember who tried to silence them, but I think it just encouraged them. Good for them.
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