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Abolish Vatican statehood
The Boston Globe ^ | 9/1/2014 | James Carroll

Posted on 09/03/2014 8:35:47 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne

This contradiction was laid bare recently when the Holy See, acting in secret, threw the protective cloak of diplomatic immunity over Archbishop Jozef Wesolowski — the papal nuncio in the Dominican Republic and an alleged serial abuser of minors. In a show of toughness, church officials defrocked Wesolowski and promised to try him according to the laws of Vatican City. In effect, though, church officials once again shielded a predator priest from civil jurisdiction.

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonglobe.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; corruption; sexualabuse
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Here it is, folks. The Vatican is STILL protecting pedophiles. Why? Because pedophilia is deeply imbedded in the Catholic clergy and has been for centuries. To allow a truly open investigation would be the death of Catholicism.
1 posted on 09/03/2014 8:35:47 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: Dr. Thorne

Sharia Law, though, is perfectly fine.


2 posted on 09/03/2014 8:38:35 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Dr. Thorne
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”

― Fulton J. Sheen

3 posted on 09/03/2014 8:39:13 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Your biases are getting the better of your logic and reasoning.


4 posted on 09/03/2014 8:44:21 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Dr. Thorne

James Carroll is an extreme liberal thinks the New Testament is inherently anti-Semitic. Just thought you’d like to know who you’re linking to.


5 posted on 09/03/2014 8:44:47 AM PDT by Campion
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Every church has a history of this. Its just that the RC is conservative and therefore a Target.


6 posted on 09/03/2014 8:45:03 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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Because pedophilia is deeply imbedded in the Catholic clergy and has been for centuries. To allow a truly open investigation would be the death of Catholicism.

Don't let your bias hit you where the good Lord split you.

Diplomatic immunity is as appropriate in this situation as for any foreign minister. He should be brought home and prosecuted in his sponsoring country. Going back to the title... do you think we should remove the statehood of every country where a foreign minister commits crimes?

7 posted on 09/03/2014 8:45:17 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Yorlik803

Any population has deviants. Period.


8 posted on 09/03/2014 8:46:53 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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It is wrong for the Church to be protecting anyone involved in such heinous activities. On the other side of this is this is not only a pedophilia issue, it usually involved homosexuality as well. Something that our society seems to want to legitimize.


9 posted on 09/03/2014 8:47:17 AM PDT by u57896 (ISIS means: ISlam IS evil!)
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Can we revoke the statehood of the U.S. and the bulk of western Europe on the same grounds?


10 posted on 09/03/2014 8:52:35 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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It is wrong for the Church to be protecting anyone...

Who is protecting criminals? It isn't the Vatican... Vatican Laicizes Archbishop Josef Wesolowski for Sex Abuse of Minors. It's nearly every government around the world--including our own. The Vatican is one state that takes things seriously.

11 posted on 09/03/2014 8:53:04 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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Apparently, the RC Church is evil, because they’re putting the trial and verdict before the sentencing. Perhaps some people have mistaken the Pope for the Queen of Hearts ...

Perhaps James Carroll isn’t an honest broker ... and the Boston Glob is part of Leftist Big Media, and should be given the same credibility as the New York Slimes, the Washington Pest, and the Communist News Network.

Naaaaahhhhh ...


12 posted on 09/03/2014 8:58:57 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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The Vatican stripped Wesolowski of his diplomatic immunity last week ...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/25/vatican-ambassador-diplomatic-immunity-josef-wesolowski ...
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/wesolowski-35976/ ...


13 posted on 09/03/2014 9:03:16 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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Hmmm, is not the property upon which the Globe sits worth more than their joke of a paper?

Sorry, Globe, but the only folks out there with less credibility than you live in the White House.


14 posted on 09/03/2014 9:03:20 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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I found out a few years ago that the priest who married my wife and I was defrocked. His crime? He became involved with a WOMAN.

I couldn’t help but think if it were only decade or two ago, and he got caught molesting some of the altar boys, the Church would have simply covered it up and transferred him to another parish.

The Church really does need to rethink its policy on compulsory clerical celibacy. There is NOTHING in the Bible mandating such a draconian policy. To the contrary, the Bible permits married priests in both the Old Testament and the New testament.


15 posted on 09/03/2014 9:04:56 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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They are protecting him because he is an ambassador. Diplomatic immunity is an old legal term dating back thousands of years.

The issue is that it becomes license. Look at the behavior of some of the UN delegates for example.


16 posted on 09/03/2014 9:08:52 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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So how do you abolish statehood for another country?


17 posted on 09/03/2014 9:11:04 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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What you and most forget is that there really isn't Pedophilia at play within the Church. It is Ephebophilia, a normal every day desire for a vast majority of homosexuals. A lifestyle we are all supposed to see as normal and promote in the culture.

The majority of ‘priests’ who where involved in this scandal where not raping preteen children, they are not pedophiles. They where involved in the seduction and abuse of pubescent boys. The same type of body that a vast majority of homosexuals desire. The entire youth worshiping live for today illness that is Homosexuality is at play.

18 posted on 09/03/2014 9:11:42 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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DNFTT


19 posted on 09/03/2014 9:17:13 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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For a host of reasons I believe Vatican statehood is wrong. However, who has the authority to abolish Vatican statehood and how would they go about it? Would someone seriously propose using a military force to take over and occupy the Vatican in this day and age? We are more likely to see NATO forces defending the Vatican against Islamic terror.


20 posted on 09/03/2014 9:17:49 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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