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To: CynicalBear

No, that’s not denying Jesus. It’s a relatively new pastor in the spotlight and on the spot (maybe he wasn’t ready for this yet) who hates to condemn others and didn’t know who to answer the question. You people also ignore the fact he later apologized for not being more clear in his answer.

It’s one thing to say he screwed up on one particular occasion and even that is debatable (even man’s law deals with the motivations of the heart when accessing guilt or innocence - there is a strong argument that Joel’s motivation was trying not to condemn others and didn’t know how to answer the question because of that - not becasue he was “denying Jesus”). But that certainly does not prove by a preponderance of evidence that he lives a life as a heretic who denies Jesus.

Even a criminal is presumed innocent until proven guilty. And proof of guilt in civil court requires a preponderance of evidence. Here, you’ve attacked and accused a brother in Christ. Yet, there is no evidence of systemic, purposeful heresy or denial of Jesus, but rather most evidence is on the level of personal disagreement or dislike. That kind of evidence is irrelevant and amounts to a frivolous complaint at law. How much more before God’s righteous and merciful court. You have unjustly and wrongfully attacked and defamed the character of Joel, a child of the Most High, based mostly on personal preference. As I said to someone else, this is despicable.

As I also said, we all do despicable things, but God’s mercy and grace is greater than our sins. I know Joel has forgiven all who have and continue to attack him and so do I. He has moved on and so do I.

I’m done here.


241 posted on 09/07/2014 9:01:22 AM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate over unjust law & government in the forum of ideas)
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To: PapaNew

It’s good that you are done here. Holy Spirit filled followers of Christ see through the carnality of Osteens eat, drink, and be merry preaching.


243 posted on 09/07/2014 9:38:07 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: PapaNew
Even a criminal is presumed innocent until proven guilty. And proof of guilt in civil court requires a preponderance of evidence. Here, you’ve attacked and accused a brother in Christ. Yet, there is no evidence of systemic, purposeful heresy or denial of Jesus, but rather most evidence is on the level of personal disagreement or dislike.

http://www.christianpost.com/buzzvine/watch-joel-osteen-on-larry-king-now-to-learn-why-megachurch-pastor-attracts-muslim-and-atheist-followers-112572/

And should you deny that it took place, Joel Osteen later issued an apology for it.

If he didn't do it, then what did he apologize for?

And by his apology HE admitted it happened.

http://carolinachristianconservative.blogspot.com/2005/06/joel-osteen-apologizes-for-larry-king.html

246 posted on 09/07/2014 10:51:25 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: PapaNew

His mercy and grace are not for those that lack belief.


251 posted on 09/07/2014 11:22:54 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: PapaNew

You are “done here,” you say, yet you still have not answered my simple question.

DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT JESUS SAID, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” or NOT? Do you believe that Jesus spoke The Truth, The Ultimate Truth no matter what circumstance you find yourself in, i.e., you follow osteen and his happy “teachings?”


264 posted on 09/07/2014 5:35:34 PM PDT by Chong
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