Bishop Schneider Says Traditional Catholics Are Not “Extremest”, But Rather The Hope For The Future

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Bishop Schneider Says Traditional Catholics Are Not “Extremest”, But Rather The Hope For The Future

Posted on August 29, 2014 by fc

Bishop Schneider had an interview published in the June 6th 2014 CatholicHerald.co.uk, “We Are In The Fourth Great Crisis Of The Church“.  If you have the time please read the whole great article.  Here I have attempted to only highlight the main points in the article.

In his interview he said we are in the fourth great crisis of the Church.  This is spearheaded by the liberals in the Church who are collaborating with, what he calls, the “new paganism” and this is actually driving the Catholic Church towards a split.  In this collaboration, we see something like what happened with the fourth-century Arian heresy in which “a large part of the Church hierarchy was implicated”.

The root and cause of this crisis he says is “the “banal” and casual treatment of the Blessed Sacrament by clergy, including some of those in positions of authority, and the laity, who are going along with secular society.  

“The Eucharist is at the heart of the Church,” he said. “When the heart is weak, the whole body is weak.”  He strongly believes that receiving Holy Communion in hand contributes gradually to the loss of the belief in the Real Presence and in transubstantiation.  

“It seems that the majority of the clergy and the bishops are content with this modern use of Communion in hand… For me this is incredible. How is this possible, when Jesus is present in the little Hosts?  There is the grievous fact of the loss of the Eucharistic fragments. And the fragments of the consecrated Host are crushed by feet. This is horrible! Our God, in our churches, is trampled by feet!  It is time that the bishops (should) raise their voices for the Eucharistic Jesus who has no voice to defend himself.  Here is an attack on the Most Holy, an attack on the Eucharistic faith.”

He acknowledges that we have been in this crisis for the last 50 years, (Since Vatican II), with great confusion over doctrine and liturgy.  An example of this “confusion” is clear in the preparation of the Extraordinary Synod coming up this October in Rome:

“I think this issue of the reception of Holy Communion by the remarried will blow up and show the real crisis in the Church. The real crisis of the Church is anthropocentrism and the forgetting of Christo-centrism….  This is the deepest evil: 1) man, or the clergy, putting themselves in the centre when they are celebrating liturgy, (in some churches God, in the tabernacle, is put in a corner, while the priest takes centre stage), and 2) when clergy change the revealed truth of God, for instance, concerning the Sixth Commandment and human sexuality.”  (In this he is referring to homosexuals and divorced people living together or in a second marriage.)

He is very critical of trying to change Catholic pastoral practices, (like giving communion to people living in sin and then calling it mercy).  “This is a kind of sophism.  It is comparable to a doctor who gives a diabetic patient sugar, although he knows it will kill him.”

He says: “Unfortunately there were … members of the clergy and even bishops who put grains of incense in front of the statue of the emperor or of a pagan idol or who delivered the books of the Holy Scripture to be burned. Such collaborationist Christians and clerics were called in those times thurificati or traitors.  We also have those who collaborate, or are traitors of the Faith today”. St Lawrence’s Martyrdom

As a consequence of liberal clergy and laity, he see a split coming eventually.  “I can presume that such a separation will affect each level of Catholics: lay people and even not excluding the high clergy.”

He hopes that this split will eventually lead to a renewal of the Church in a traditional way.   The present “anthropocentric” [man-centred] clerical system will collapse. “This liberal clerical edifice will crash down because they have no roots and no fruits.”   There are hardly any vocations in any of the ordinary dioceses or religious orders.

Bishop Schneider warns that “traditional Catholics may, for a time, be persecuted or discriminated against, even at the behest of those who have “power in the exterior structures of the Church”.  All of us traditional Catholics are already badly persecuted by the people in power in the Church.  Each one of us can tell our own story.

In the end, he says “The Supreme Magisterium” will restate clear doctrinal statement, and no longer will go along with neo-pagan world and ideas.  The lack of clarity in the documents of Vatican II has led to this confusion.

When asked if, as a bishop, it is difficult to speak out against what is happening in the Church, he said; “It is quite insignificant to be popular or unpopular. For every member of the clergy, their first interest should be to be popular in the eyes of God and not in the eyes of today or of the powerful. Jesus said a warning: ‘Woe to you when people speak well of you.’”  

He went on: “Popularity is false… Great saints of the Church, such as Thomas More and John Fisher, rejected popularity… those today who are worried about the popularity of the mass media and public opinion… will be remembered as cowards and not as heroes of the Faith.”

Many “Catholics” who go along with the pagan world, are considered “good” Catholics, while “those who are faithful to the Catholic faith or those who are promoting the glory of Christ in the liturgy, are labelled extremists”.

He also brought up the issue of the poor, which for the liberals seems to trump over morals or sacred liturgy.    We see this when so many Catholics voted for a president who is for murdering of the unborn babies.  They justified this because he is “supposedly” for the poor.  Bishop Schneider contradicts this idea: “This is erroneous. The first commandment which Christ gave us was to adore God alone. Liturgy is not a meeting of friends. It is our first task to adore and glorify God in the liturgy and also in our manner of life. From a true adoration and love of God grows love for the poor and our neighbour. It is a consequence.”

He ends by saying that the traditional Catholics “have kept the purity of their faith and they represent the true power of the Church in the eyes of God and not those who are in administration.”

He ends on a positive note: “I am not worried about the future. The Church is Christ’s Church and He is the real head of the Church, the Pope is only the vicar of Christ. The soul of the Church is the Holy Spirit and He is powerful.”  

So all of you traditional Catholic bishops, priests, religious and people reading this, you are the ones that Bishop Schneider has said will keep the Catholic faith pure and continuing.  After most of the other bishops, religious, priests, and other “Catholics” continuously put you down, know that God is listening and at least there is one bishop who acknowledges the precious value you have for God’s Catholic Church.  Thank you for your heroic virtues of standing strong while everything seems to be collapsing around us and no one in the Church seems to care.  God and Mary do.

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[redleghunter]

What’s worse?

Compiling quotes or stating people should roast for not being Catholic?

It was a rare opportunity for you and others to distance yourselves from the fringe Roman Catholic Inquisitors who post here. You missed it.

[metmom]

If you put it on the internet, it’s fair game.

And trying to coerce people into behaving a certain way by accusing them of not acting in a *Christian* manner is manipulation, plain and simple.

[metmom]

You advocated burning schimatics at the stake.

Whatever someone did in the past, like the Salem witch trials, I don’t see anyone calling for a return to that these days.

I’ve seen several Catholics on this very RF long for the days of and return of the Inquisition and now we can add burning schismatics at the stake.

Knowing Catholic history, that well includes former Catholics.

So it doesn’t matter when the last time it actually was done was because the mindset is still alive and well within Catholicism as evidenced by those posts and would still be happening if the RCC hadn’t gotten it’s wings clipped by civil authorities, who are more civil and Christ like, that those advocating burning those who disagree with them at the stake.

And at that point, it does become the business of those at whom that kind of mindset is directed.

[metmom]

What’s worse?

Compiling quotes or stating people should roast for not being Catholic?

It looks like that question was answered before it was asked.

It was a rare opportunity for you and others to distance yourselves from the fringe Roman Catholic Inquisitors who post here. You missed it.

Actually, not so rare an opportunity. Sad to say.

And then they beg us to *come back home* and *cross the Tiber*.

To what?

THAT?????

The loving arms of the Catholic church who treats those who disagree with her in such a way?

No thanks.

[RedHeeler]

When, were the heretic burnings/drownings/ tortured to death murders- ever reconciled by the supposed throne of St. Peter? Good grief, what is good with you? When is your personal convenience, not at play? The Roman Catholic Church has been a deadly farce upon humanity. Jesus does not recognize you. Never has, nor will.

[piusv]

I, for one, will never encourage this sort of talk. I believe the Catholic Church is the one true Church, but do not want to go back to burnings at the stake. I mean, really. The level of rhetoric in this thread is out of control.

[piusv]

Did I miss this “unauthorized use” post?

[Gamecock]

I haven’t seen such a request. Not saying you haven’t sent it by FReepmail, but I have a personal policy not to read your FReepmails because of the, shall we say, negative tone that they all seem to have.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Let's see . . . you, a die-hard conciliarist who sees sedevacantists behind every tree, are a creationist even though your beloved "Saint" John Paul II was an evolutionist. Meanwhile, your more traditionalist critics are evolutionists who agree with "Saint" John Paul II on this while disagreeing with him on other issues.

I will never understand you people.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Re your post #49:

I can understand your passion, metmom, but your fears are unfounded. Do you honestly think the current liberal Catholic Church, which is in the process of crashing down into rubble, is ever going to reinstitute the Middle Ages? REALLY???

Come on. Their clergy are a bunch of sprout eating, new age philosophy spouting hippies. They pray with pagans and animists--in front of the latter's own idols. I'm sorry. I'm probably the most anti-Catholic member of this forum, but to me the idea of a resurgent conservative Catholic Church is about as likely as one of the other planets belching out Captain Kangaroo or something. It's never going to happen, any more than Salt Lake City "ruling the world" as some FReepers so fear.

On the other hand, such a world, while far worse in some ways, but actually be superior to our own in others. The Protestant notion of "freedom of religion" (based on the identification of religion as an "offer of salvation" rather than a simple statutory legal system) is in some ways the progenitor of all our troubles today (though this has roots in Catholic/Orthodox chrstianity as well).

Please. Let me know when some limp-wristed, evolutionist, Democrat bishop starts building pyres.

[daniel1212]

And then they beg us to *come back home* and *cross the Tiber*. To what? THAT????? The loving arms of the Catholic church who treats those who disagree with her in such a way? No thanks.

Murderers are often good at rationalizing their actions, as are their defenders. Roman Catholic use of the sword of men (Inquisitions)

[Elsie]

I wonder how we could have this big split in the Church when it seems no one bothers to attend except on Christmas an Easter.

I never thought of my self as an extremist...

Big split?

Didn't that happen CENTURIES ago; led by them damned Reformationists?

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At LEAST you Catholics are unified and safe in the arms of Mother Church.

Why; there must be 30,000 or 50,000 or even 80,000 of us deceived, misled and or poorly catechized Prots out here; running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

[Elsie]

Anyone who thinks this thread is merely about liturgy totally misses the boat.

Have I stumbled into an unmarked CAUCUS thread?

[Elsie]

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

Well; I, for one; am generally interested in the things that are perceived wrong in today's church; and ideas on how to correct the problem(s).

[wagglebee]

I read over the thread and have ZERO interest in stepping into this hornet's nest.

[Elsie]

Merely a substantial eccentric rather than a schismatic or a sedevacantist. Why are you bashful about answering the questions? Is it because even Bishop Athanasius Schneider does not and will not associate himself with the schism of dead excommunicated Marcel LeFebvre?

This does to be a much higher level of intelligence thread compared to the never-ending 'angels on the head of a pin' type of thread thread that is usually tossed about here.

[Elsie]

Yeah, I don’t get it.

Me; neither.

I'm an interested bystander to this fight, uh... disagreement, and am not privy to all the sublties involved.

Perhaps it would be better for me to merely stand and watch and not root for one side or the other.

(Heck; for all I know, there may be 3, 4 or MORE sides participating in this session by the community of Brothers.)

[Elsie]

But then I am often, well, rather wrong.

I hope you guys don't mind if every now and then I steal; uh, BORROW; a keeper of a quote.

Think of it as a souvenir I can show my friends as evidence of my travels.

[Elsie]

What is sinkspurious?

(I'm sure a picture may come along to fully explain...)

[Elsie]

Full disclosure, I attend the Novus Ordo every day and a diocesan TLM on Sundays. I am not an SSPXer.

Thank GOD! you are not one of them darned PUBLICANS!