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To: NKP_Vet
Paul baptised whole families, including children.

Pure conjecture based on nothing...

When we look carefully at the teaching of Scripture, we see that the sign of the covenant was applied to infants prior to Christ, and presumably continued to be applied to them when Jesus changed it to baptism.

Nah, different covenant...Went from the law to simple belief (faith)

And when we look closely at the household baptisms described in Acts, there can be little doubt but that infants were commonly baptized in the apostolic church.

Nope again...Every one of the scriptures that speaks of households being saved had the requirement of repentance for all the household members except one where the issue wasn't discussed...No repentance; no salvation, no baptism...

They were baptized then, and they should be baptized now, on the basis of God’s promise to bless the children of believers. The faith of a parent qualifies a child to be baptized and raised as a disciple of Jesus.

Naw, that's just a result of the ignorance of scripture...Babies can not sin if there is no knowledge of sin in their minds...There is no judgmental sin attributed to babies...That is just a ploy by the Catholic religion to scare Catholics into putting their trust into the Catholic clergy instead of Jesus Christ...Bible calls that bondage...

But I don't mind that you guys believe this junk but what gets me is you try to connect the false teachings of your religion with the bible...You make things up about the scriptures, just as you just did...You add words to make the scripture say things that are not true...

Some Catholic on this thread claimed that the bible says, 'your are Peter and upon you, I will build my church'...That's not scripture...So is that ignorance of scripture or an outright lie???

176 posted on 05/28/2014 5:29:56 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

God introduced salvation to the world through his chosen people, the Jews. God’s revelation to the Jews found its fulfillment in Christ, the Messiah, who established the Catholic Church. The grace necessary for salvation continues to come from Christ, through his Church. Those who innocently do not know and embrace this might still attain salvation but those who knowingly and willingly choose to reject it, reject salvation on God’s terms.

The Catechism (once again quoting Lumen Gentium) summarizes all this as follows:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. (CCC 846)


180 posted on 05/28/2014 5:46:56 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus")
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