I am aware of that. I thought you had scripture that identified them. I found the following from a commentator that explains it well:
"It only remains to notice one other feature in the vision. The woman is represented as ‘sitting upon many waters,’ and in the fifteenth verse these waters are said to signify ‘peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.’ The mystical Babylon, like her prototype the literal Babylon, is said to ‘sit upon many waters.’ The prophet Jeremiah thus addresses ancient Babylon: ‘O thou that dwellest upon many waters’ (Jer. 51:13), and this description appears to be equally appropriate to Jerusalem.
The influence exercised by the Jewish race in all parts of the Roman Empire previous to the destruction of Jerusalem was immense; their synagogues were to be found in every city, and their colonies took root in every land. We see in Acts ii. the marvellous ramifications of the Hebrew race in foreign countries, from the enumeration of the different nations which were represented in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost: ‘There were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven, . . . Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians.’ Jerusalem might truly be said to ‘sit upon many waters,’ that is, to exercise a mighty influence upon ‘peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.’" [James Stuart Russell, The Parousia, 1878]
>>>He did not see a vision of killing saints he saw something that he admired.<<<
John was a Jew, and he was admiring Jerusalem, before the destruction. It was the showcase city of the middle east. Josephus wrote about how magnificent it was. There doesn't appear to be any exaggeration. The spoils, alone, were magnificent: the spoils that were carried triumphantly through the streets of Rome by the Roman armies.
>>>… look at rev 17:12
"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.<<<
They were most likely ten legions of the Roman armies since the Roman armies actually destroyed Jerusalem, made her desolate, and burned her with fire.
>>>The ten horns as it states in verse 12 had no kingdom at that time.<<<
Correct. That is why I believe they were the generals in charge of the Roman legions. It is possible the kings were the governors of ten provinces; but I don't recall them having much to do with the war. I am still fuzzy on that one.
>>>I don't see how found and responsible can have the same meaning.<<<
Then why the vengeance against her?
“Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.” (Rev 18:20, KJV)
Jerusalem paid for those crimes. I doubt any other city would be required to pay for the same crimes.
>>>… it appears to me the great whore is living in luxury on the claims that she is the woman that was taken into the wilderness for 1260 days but it is not.<<<
I have read nothing linking Babylon with the woman that brought forth the man child. But it is a fact that Jerusalem was a very prosperous city for that era.
>>>This is meaningless because the ten kings who are to destroy the whore had no kingdom yet, rev 17:12<<<
I don't follow you. If the people didn't leave before the armies arrived and became entrenched, they couldn't leave. If they didn't leave, they would be "partakers of her sins."
Philip
>>>The ten horns as it states in verse 12 had no kingdom at that time.<<<
Correct. That is why I believe they were the generals in charge of the Roman legions. It is possible the kings were the governors of ten provinces; but I don’t recall them having much to do with the war. I am still fuzzy on that one.