The very first thing one has to figure out is what is said, when it is said, who it was said to and how it applies, AND, believe what you read...
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Who did God give to Jesus???
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
When did/does this happen???
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
This happens after the Rapture...After the church, is gone...At the end of the Tribulation...It is written doctrinally to the lost sheep of the house of Israel concerning the return of Jesus at the 2nd Coming...
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Who has seen Jesus??? You ever see Jesus??? I haven't...
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Luk 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, as says Simeon...
Compared to those of us who have not seen Jesus,,,
1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
They saw Jesus...Who else will see Jesus???
Those during the Tribulation may not see Jesus but they will see the wrath of Jesus and know that it comes from him...
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
So who does God draw??? And how does he draw them??? The next verse tells us...
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
God draws those who have been taught and learned the Old Testament...Did you learn and live the Old Testament before you came to Jesus??? No???
This is written to observant Jews before the Resurrection and to the Jews and others will will listen to the 144,000 ministers of the Tribulation, AFTER the temporary church is taken out of the way...
The church on Earth didn't/doesn't exist before the Resurrection or after the beginning of the Tribulation...Our main purpose was/is to make God's people, the Jews jealous and draw them to him...
This is just a little, short summary of all of the tons of scripture which pertain to this subject...I don't expect you to accept it...I just wanted you to know that there has been plenty of biblical research into the subject by multitudes of people...
Do these scriptures have spiritual application for the church??? Absolutely...Spiritually, but not doctrinally...
So this touches on one verse...If I get time or any one is interested, I will go on to others...
The “fullness of the gentiles” is the out of covenant House of Israel. And that is also the identity of the church.
Paul was the first to minister primarily to them, and from then on that was the calling of every other minister of the gospel of Yeshua Ha Massiach.
It is the attempt to divide the indivisible that has spawned the false gospel of pre-tribulation rapture. They are contorting their minds to take out that which is the object of Satan’s tribulation.
Pray for them.
So you are asserting that this passage (John 6:35-58) was intended only for the Jews living at the time of Jesus who could actually cast their eyes upon his physical body?
Explain how David could say this: Psalm 25:15 My eyes are ever on the Lord
or how the writer of Hebrews could implore us to "...fix our eyes upon Jesus..."(Hebrews 12:2)
It is figurative, as in behold, understand, realize, see it in your mind, etc. As clarified by the subsequent statement:
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life:
and the antecedent
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Salvation is by belief, not impression on the visual cortex. In fact, Jesus scolded Thomas for having to see to believe
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
You quoted John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The point of this passage is that no one can be saved unless God gives them understanding in their heart to recognize Jesus.
This is shown in John 6:45, which says we have to hear first, and then understand after God reveals it in our heart, and has nothing to do with being schooled in the Old Testament. Further clarification of this is seen in Matthew 16:
15 ...But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
and here in 1 Cor 12:2
...no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
or even in John 6:65
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
and finally in Acts 16
14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.
15 And when she was baptized...
The point is, NO ONE is saved unless God gives them understanding!
Completely unbiblical assertion. The 144,000 are mentioned twice in scripture, Rev 7:1-8, and Rev 14:1-5. They are never called ministers, preachers, evangelists or any other such descriptors. In fact, according to Rev 14, they are in Heaven, singing a new song before the throne and following the Lamb!
The whole idea of them being preachers is to explain the great multitude that come out of the tribulation in Rev 7:9-17. Since pre-tribbers believe the church was taken off the earth, these that come out of the tribulation must have been saved during the tribulation, and thus they would need someone to preach to them, and presto! However, there is no reference to ANYONE being saved during the tribulation, in fact Reveleation teaches the exact opposite! Regarding the Beast (the AntiChrist)
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.