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To: redleghunter
>> Even the trib saints will be saved by Grace through faith.<<

Could you show the scripture that shows that?

>>This side of the Cross it is always the shed Blood of Christ.<<

Actually it’s always been that. The Old Testament was looking forward. But you need to keep in mind that during the tribulation there will once again be a Temple and sacrifice as it was in the Old Testament. Can you explain that in the “under grace” sense?

123 posted on 11/24/2013 6:31:05 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
>> Even the trib saints will be saved by Grace through faith.<< Could you show the scripture that shows that?

Prophecy is not conclusive the Temple sacrifice will be directed by God or the anti-christ. Remember it is possible even the Jews who rebuild the Temple may be deceived and think the anti-christ is the Christ. What we know from Daniel and Jesus' own prophecies is there will be a third temple and the desolation will occur.

We also know from Revelation that there will be martrys for Christ and they are called 'saints' as well.

First from Revelation 6:

9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Then here in Revelation 13:

7 It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. 9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.

So we know there will be believers 'saints' and they are called our brothers and sisters. If we look at Revelation 11 on the two witnesses it says they will give "testimony." Testimony to what? Temple Mosaic Law worship or the tesimony given by the apostles in the NT of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior?

We then see in Revelation 9 many will NOT repent and continue loving their sin and the world:

20 But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk. 21 And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.

20 But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk. 21 And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.

What are they not accepting here? Are they rejecting temple worship to God or God's plan of salvation through faith in trust in the shed Blood of Christ. We see the saints and eventually the two witnesses are murdered for giving testimony. What testimony is it? The temple worship or the shed Blood of Christ. Given the large amount of OT and NT evidence that message or testimony will be the same one proclaimed at Pentecost, to Cornelius, and in all the epistles.

Yes I do agree left or right on the timeline of the Cross it has always been about deliverance through the Son of God. We know this today because we are on this side of the Cross and Empty Tomb.

137 posted on 11/24/2013 11:56:25 AM PST by redleghunter
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