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To: redleghunter
That, however, does not address the early church which was largely Jewish. Even in Paul’s epistles he says both circumcised and uncircumcised alike are under Grace. Even the trib saints will be saved by Grace through faith. This side of the Cross it is always the shed Blood of Christ.

Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Faith and works...

Rom 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Keeping the law is righteousness...

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

We are now, here, going into a transition from a physical circumcision to a spiritual circumcision...

Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Faith without works...

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

The church was under faith AND the Jewish law for righteousness...Jesus fulfilled the law for believers in him and transitions into faith only...

These two contradictory verses have to be reconciled

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

109 posted on 11/23/2013 9:23:39 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

Who is arguing a Faith and works salvation? I am not the one advocating two gospels. There is only one Gospel. Jews and Gentiles back then as today are saved by the shed Blood of Christ by Grace through faith. That was my point.


115 posted on 11/23/2013 10:41:52 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: Iscool

Thank you.....


119 posted on 11/24/2013 4:54:35 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Iscool
Keeping the law is righteousness...... The church was under faith AND the Jewish law for righteousness...Jesus fulfilled the law for believers in him and transitions into faith only...

Two gospels is simply is not what Paul is teaching, but true faith is manifest by what one does. For salvation is by faith, which is counted for righteousness, justifying the unGodly, but not a faith abstract from who Christ is, but one who "condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Romans 8:4)

For Paul has been building his case in Rm. 2+3 that both Jews and Gentles are in need of salvation by faith said, thus he states in Rm. 3, "we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;... (Romans 3:9ff) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (Romans 3:24) See 120 and 162 and

165 posted on 11/24/2013 2:59:51 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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