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Catholics, Protestants, and Immaculate Mary
The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8, 2012 | David G. Bonagura, Jr.

Posted on 12/08/2012 2:24:39 PM PST by NYer

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To: presently no screen name

Thank you; however you don’t need to “introduce” me to the scripture; my Church already did this before you came along.


821 posted on 12/13/2012 6:04:15 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Religion Moderator

746 wasn’t mine.


822 posted on 12/13/2012 6:05:03 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: stfassisi; metmom
>> Jesus is God and the Trinity are true.Do you agree? <<

show me where she ever disagreed with that.

823 posted on 12/13/2012 6:05:19 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: narses

True. That and exposure to lessen any influence on others.


824 posted on 12/13/2012 6:05:44 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Religion Moderator

See post 737 please.


825 posted on 12/13/2012 6:07:51 PM PST by narses
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To: RnMomof7

I treated that subject fully in 666 and gave a complete set of linguistic explanations from this thread in 729. I have nothing to add to them, but if you have a question I will answer.


826 posted on 12/13/2012 6:09:04 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: D-fendr
>>Though parts of the list are silly - sign of the cross for example and I would look for a better list;<<

Of course you would think so. That list is from those who are experts on what cults are and teach. That is not my list.

>>I think your “cult” qualifies on at least numbers 5-9. Possibly #1.<<

What cult do you think I belong to? I belong to organized religion whatsoever. I simply am a member of the body of Christ by virtue of being a believer in Him. I look to no one but Him.

827 posted on 12/13/2012 6:09:09 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: daniel1212

“”Actually, there is a book called “New Age medicine”

D1212, I don’t know of this book , but the subject of the New Age Movement was something I spent a lot of time( 2 full years) on working with protestants to help expose the problems they were having within their Churches.

This is actually a subject where we can find common ground as I found out. The thing is, that the Catholic/Orthodox Church has been battling these old heresies for over 2000 years and there is nothing new about the NA movement at all, it’s just the same old errors with a modern spin to it.

Most of the protestants of I have dealt with on this subject appreciate the fact that I could show them early Christian writing that refuted similarities of NA ideas

Anyway, the most thorough document ever produced on this subject is this one. I encourage you to read it, it will really help you on this subject

JESUS CHRIST
THE BEARER OF THE WATER OF LIFE

A Christian reflection
on the “New Age

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html


828 posted on 12/13/2012 6:11:18 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: narses

Once again your dedicated study of the subject at hand exhibits itself. I’m sure we all look forward to your studied contributions to the subject matter with anticipation.


829 posted on 12/13/2012 6:11:28 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

“That list is from those who are experts on what cults are and teach.”

Right. Like who? Links maybe?


830 posted on 12/13/2012 6:11:34 PM PST by narses
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To: CynicalBear

The cult of you of course. It fits the list.


831 posted on 12/13/2012 6:11:57 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: annalex
>> And in the New Testament -- just the opposite.<<

Show from New Testament scripture where those who became followers of Christ became poor through God’s blessing them.

832 posted on 12/13/2012 6:14:36 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Stfassi- Jesus is God and the Trinity are true.Do you agree?

CB-show me where she ever disagreed with that.

I’m asking if she agrees that Jesus is God and if She believes in the Trinity.

It;s a question


833 posted on 12/13/2012 6:14:53 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: CynicalBear

“That list is from those who are experts on what cults are and teach.”

Right. Like who? Links maybe?

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834 posted on 12/13/2012 6:17:23 PM PST by narses
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To: D-fendr
>> What makes an idol an idol?<<

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

And you think that God commanded the brazen serpent which was a “graven image” but let’s see what happened to that.

2Kings 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

Would Catholics crush the statues of Mary or any of the Saints into dust or have they become idols?

835 posted on 12/13/2012 6:19:52 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

So you have no pictures of loved ones?


836 posted on 12/13/2012 6:20:32 PM PST by narses
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To: CynicalBear
Cults most often are based on a personality; they are a cult of a (single) personality, that is defined and ruled by that individual. No other authority is tolerated.

I belong to organized religion whatsoever. I simply am a member of the body of Christ by virtue of being a believer in Him. I look to no one but Him.

Rejecting all other religious authority. Body of Christ - according to you; 'believer' according to you (what one must believe); in Him according to you (who Christ is as only you determine). And of course, Holy Scripture according to you.

Thus the parts of your list that refer to a leader with special authority making all decisions and dogma, intolerant of others, etc. apply to your cult - whether it is a cult of one or one who influences others.

837 posted on 12/13/2012 6:26:34 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: CynicalBear; stfassisi

I keep telling the RC’s that it’s in my posting history, all they have to do is read it.

At this point though, it’s just an opportunistic tactic. I’m not caught off guard and not going to go along with the thread hijacking.


838 posted on 12/13/2012 6:35:33 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: bramps; Salvation
I attend a Baptist church and it’s the only one I answer for. The one thing I can say with certainty is that if anyone (nevermind an elder) was found to be doing what Bernie Law did, he’d be brought staight to jail.

You may really want to believe that but the truth is much different. http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm

839 posted on 12/13/2012 6:36:29 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: CynicalBear
Who says they are not free to marry?

They themselves said so when they took their vows.

Find for me from scripture where the disciples taught that Mary was to be revered or that they taught that Mary was bodily taken to heaven.

They simply revered her: Luke 11:27. St. John saw her in heaven, Apocalypse/Revelation 12 whole chapter.

where we are to pray to Mary.

The example is John 2:3, where Mary intercedes for a human need.

Now, where is it written in the Holy Scripture that unless there is an instruction to do something written down in it, we should not do it?

Vicar of Christ in not Christ and does not claim to be.
Ephesians 2:8-9 seems to teach one thing if you remove verse 10. Together, and better start with verse 4 through 10, that passage teaches what is the Catohlic teaching, that we are saved by Grace alone, which is not from works but is rather a divine gift, and that we must do good works. Read the scripture every now and then and you will be Catholic, like me, and understand it.

The rest of your "cult" points are equally nonsense, or apply to any organization beside a cult, including your "churches".

840 posted on 12/13/2012 6:36:42 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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