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To: CynicalBear
Posting the verses leading up to James 2:24 doesn't change the fact that it completely obliterates the Sola Fide argument.

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." (John 5:24)

The key to understanding this is understanding the word "believe." Believe is an action word, not a passive word. If people believe it's important to eat right--but don't--the passive, inward beliefs profits them nothing. Just so with Christ. If we are to believe in Him, we are to do all that He has instructed us. Yet, the Protestants throw out what they don't understand just as some of Jesus's disciples did in John 6:27-68.

Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."

Sadly, you stopped your bold printing three words too soon. That is where you fail. Just as in the rest of your quotes from Romans, St Paul is talking about Works of the Law, not works of charity (love). Clearing up the misunderstanding makes it possible for you to understand so much more: there will no longer be a conflict between St Paul and St James; you can understand how we are told multiple times that we will be rewarded for what we have done (Rom 2:5-8, 2 Cor 11:15, Col 3:24-25, 1 Peter 1:17, Rev 20:12-13); and you will understand how there is more than passive belief in following Christ (Matt 19:16-17).

Do you believe Paul was lying?

No. I believe you are wrong.

98 posted on 12/14/2011 7:39:08 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
>>If we are to believe in Him, we are to do all that He has instructed us.<<

You are to do? How pompous and arrogant. I can’t do anything without Him doing it through me. The best thing you ever did was still as a dirty rag to Him. I don’t do anything that pleases God. It’s Christ in me that does the doing as far as anything good is concerned.

>> Sadly, you stopped your bold printing three words too soon. That is where you fail.<<

Everything you call “works” or “what we must do” is legalistic and law. If you call it a command it becomes a legalistic requirement. Don’t play word games. If you claim it must be done it’s a law. It then is “works of law”.

>> we will be rewarded for what we have done<<

Good grief man. In Romans 2 he is talking to people who are being legalistic. Look at the beginning of the chapter. He starts out with “1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. He isn’t talking about how God judges us he’s talking about how they judge each other and have set up their legalistic approach to salvation. He’s rebuking the Romans. Read on in chapter 3.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

There you can see that he continued on to say that the Romans were being legalistic and goes on to say that the righteousness of God is without the law but is by faith.

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Boasting that the works you do is excluded. Don’t try to put people back under the law of the RCC which Paul is clearly rebuking.

100 posted on 12/14/2011 8:47:19 PM PST by CynicalBear
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