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To: CynicalBear

It is not up to me to explain the error based on Sola Scriptura as I can accept that there may be minor differences in the accounts.

It is what it is, CB.

Scripture does not say that either lineage is that of Mary and both say they are of Joseph. One must look to extra Biblical sources to support that Heli was Joseph’s father in law.

Do you deny that both lineages list Joseph as the descendent of David and neither list Mary? Do you deny that the NT specifically says that Joseph is the one of the house of David and never says that about Mary?

Where does Scripture say that the line must come through Mary? And where does it say that it does?

Truth is, it doesn’t. One must depend on the OT and extra Biblical writings to support this belief that is not clearly stated in the NT.

So, it is not me who wishes to have it both ways. It is the one who accepts this even though Scripture does not say it and then points to a non Scriptural record to support it when excoriating Catholics who have done the same.


761 posted on 11/03/2011 5:44:48 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Jvette
>> One must look to extra Biblical sources to support that Heli was Joseph’s father in law.<<

Or understand the language and culture.

>> Do you deny that both lineages list Joseph as the descendent of David and neither list Mary?<<

Not if you do a little research and understand that both can’t be right and given the Bible cannot be in error you must look for the answer. To just sit there and claim the English language says this or that is lazy and irresponsible.

>> Do you deny that the NT specifically says that Joseph is the one of the house of David and never says that about Mary?<<

Except that you need to take Old Testament prophecy into account and understand that Jesus MUST be literally and genetically of the lineage of David which would be another hint that Mary MUST be of the lineage of David for Prophecy to be correct.

>> Where does Scripture say that the line must come through Mary? And where does it say that it does?<<

Psalm 132:11 The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.

Jeremiah 33:17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

1 Kings 11:36 And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there.

2 Sam. 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. >>Truth is, it doesn’t.<<

Yes it does.

2 Chron. 6:7Now it was in the heart of David my father to build an house for the name of the LORD God of Israel. 8 But the LORD said to David my father, Forasmuch as it was in thine heart to build an house for my name, thou didst well in that it was in thine heart: 9 Notwithstanding thou shalt not build the house; but thy son which shall come forth out of thy loins, he shall build the house for my name. 10 The LORD therefore hath performed his word that he hath spoken: for I am risen up in the room of David my father, and am set on the throne of Israel, as the LORD promised, and have built the house for the name of the LORD God of Israel.

>> So, it is not me who wishes to have it both ways. It is the one who accepts this even though Scripture does not say it and then points to a non Scriptural record to support it when excoriating Catholics who have done the same.<<

I just showed you both Old and New Testament sources. Unless you deny Jesus words.

762 posted on 11/03/2011 6:34:00 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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