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To: CynicalBear

***Ephesians 3:17-18: Referring to the “inner man,” Paul mentions that he prays “that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. (not in a cracker)***

And Jesus said, “This is My Body” and “This is My Blood”

What’s your point? Jesus, God can’t be with us in two different ways?

***I John 3:24: “Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit which He has given us.” (not by eating a cracker)***

John 6:55-58

King James Version (KJV)

55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Some translations use live or abide instead of dwelleth.

Again, what’s your point? Jesus was lying when He said that His body was true food and His blood true drink?

***The Holy Spirit leading to error? Are you kidding me? How blasphemous.***

That one could think this is what I said is silly indeed. Reread what I wrote, slowly and carefully.

>> or abandoning His role in leading the Church to only truth.<<

****When the RCC began to use Mary as the intermediary they surely ignored the Holy Spirit.

>> The words of Revelation are warnings to those who know the truth but tolerate deception and apostasy within the ranks.<<

Teaching the praying through Mary instead of believing that Jesus is the ONLY way is surely deception and causing apostasy.****

I suppose if that was indeed what the Church taught, that could be considered heresy. However, since it’s is not, I have no fears that I am following error.


652 posted on 11/02/2011 2:15:22 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Jvette
>>And Jesus said, “This is My Body” and “This is My Blood”<<

He said that about His while in His earthly flesh. Is the “real presence” of Jesus flesh and blood the same as His earthly flesh?

>>Again, what’s your point? Jesus was lying when He said that His body was true food and His blood true drink?<<

He also said He was a door, a Lamb, and several other things. Do you also take those literally?

>>I suppose if that was indeed what the Church taught, that could be considered heresy.<<

Well, maybe we should break it down. Let’s take the prayer of Prayer of Pope Pius XII. [http://catholicism.about.com/od/tothevirginmary/qt/Honor_Immacula.htm]

I’ll use just the bolded excerpts from the prayer.

we cast ourselves into your arms

1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. (When did we need to replace God with Mary?)

confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.

Hebrews 4:15-16 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (once again Catholics replacing Christ with Mary)

O crystal fountain of faith

Romans 12:3 according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. or "a measure of faith." (but Mary is the “fountain of faith” for Catholics)

Lily of all holiness

1 Samuel 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. (for Catholics however, “all holiness” is given to Mary)

Conqueress of evil and death

Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. (but Catholics claim it was Mary who conquered death)

Convert the wicked

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; (Catholics have even replaced the Holy Spirit with Mary)

Statement by catholic Bishop Liqouri “.......We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus.....” She...is our Salvation, our Life, our Hope, our Counsel, our Refuge, our Help

Need I go on? Catholics have replaced virtually every attribute and working of God and given that to Mary in their worship

661 posted on 11/02/2011 2:47:08 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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