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To: D-fendr

No, it had everything to do with the post.

When His disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, Jesus instructed them (and us) to pray to the FATHER, not anyone else.

Show me anywhere in Scripture where we are instructed to pray to Mary or any other entity not living here on this earth no matter what technicalities Catholics try to throw in there.


618 posted on 11/02/2011 11:57:18 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

The, um, technicality, is I do what Paul did, not what you are, somehow, conflating it with.

Do we really have to go ‘round again on intercessory prayer and Paul’s verse?


621 posted on 11/02/2011 12:12:41 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: metmom; Mad Dawg; smvoice
It really helps to stay focused on the point in discussion or under argument.

it [Lord's Prayer] had everything to do with the post.

No. MD asked for scriptural support for SM's assertion:

"Those who have died cannot pray for others. No matter how much someone wants to believe, it simply is not true."

This, obviously, is intercessory prayer by the Saints in heaven, which is what I referred to in my post in reply. You then followed with your Lord's Prayer post to me. Not intercessory prayer, not Communion of Saints, not Saints in Heaven, nothing about 'those who have died cannot pray for others'.

Off topic.

On the actual topic of intercessory prayer by the Saints in Heaven, you have said:

"Maybe they are. Maybe they aren’t." and "Granted that the saints in heaven may be praying for us..."

So, on the actual topic, your disagreement seems to be more with SM than with MD or me.

625 posted on 11/02/2011 12:29:24 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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