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To: Jvette
"Our conflict, I think, stems from what we perceive as to what comes after that initial faith."

But we can concluded, even based on the most extreme positions voiced by the anti-Catholics, that those who perform no works, who do not heed the call to Beatitude, are void of Grace.

1,795 posted on 11/12/2011 10:19:59 AM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, in not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law

It is a misunderstanding that a Catholic believes that it is through works that we have grace.

The true Catholic belief is that acts are grace working in us and that faith and grace increase as we do the work the Father has called us to do.

Jesus tells us what we must do to remain/abide in Him.

First comes grace, that which is freely given.
Second comes faith, upon hearing the truth.
Next comes works, that are the manifestation of the first two.


1,801 posted on 11/12/2011 10:51:50 AM PST by Jvette
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To: Natural Law; Jvette; metmom
But we can concluded, even based on the most extreme positions voiced by the anti-Catholics, that those who perform no works, who do not heed the call to Beatitude, are void of Grace.


And you know they perform no works how?
Do you think they do not donate to the poor ? To widows and orphans etc ?
Do you think they do not donate to missions to have the Gospel preached ?
Do you think they do not support their ministers ?

I can go on and on asking these types of questions but do you realize that they don't count on these things to save them ? (*they being us born again believers)

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

They just count on the BLOOD .
(* They being born again believers)
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

WORK does not equal GRACE

Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.



Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

1,802 posted on 11/12/2011 11:19:13 AM PST by Lera
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