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To: Jvette

thanks for your reply; very well stated. There’s lots in it that will open eyes and hearts as well as prayers and doctrine there.

One of the main frameworks for the early Church was family. Our saviour, God, had a family, just like us. And He had a mother, just like us.

I remember entering the Cathedral the first time during my conversion and seeing the statue of St. Mary. And thinking of my mother, deceased, and of Christ’s mother, and she watching him hung on a cross, and he looking down on her...

All of this and more is inherent to the Incarnation which is what separates us from all other revealed religions.

To not fully realize this, or to put some wall up against a part of it is to lose much of what being Christian means. It is like cutting yourself off from your family and God’s family.

That is a sad and needless thing to do to yourself and others in your family.

thanks again for your post.


1,486 posted on 11/08/2011 10:53:02 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Thank you for the words of encouragement and the words of your own testimony to the love of the family of God.

Unfortunately, not all see it the way we do, but I do not spend much time worrying about that, trusting that God will reveal Himself to everyone in His own time and not mine.

Sometimes it seems that the written word is an obstacle to that fullness of family.

You mention Jesus on the cross looking down at His mother and she at the foot looking up at Him.

No where does Scripture describe the emotions of that moment. But, how deep must have been her sorrow yet, how deep must have been her love and trust in the Lord.

Glory be to God for the gift of His Son and His Mother.


1,487 posted on 11/08/2011 11:07:49 PM PST by Jvette
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To: D-fendr; Jvette; metmom; boatbums; smvoice
>>All of this and more is inherent to the Incarnation which is what separates us from all other revealed religions.<<

Do you really not understand how many pagan religions worship the mother and son, queen of heaven concept?

Surely you have read in scripture about the evil of Nimrod, his wife Semiramus, and her “son incarnate” Tammuz. If not you can read glimpses in Jeremiah of the women weeping for Tammuz.

Here’s just a short list of the mother and “incarnate” son who have been worshiped.

Babylon: Ishtar (Semiramus) and Tammuz
Pheonicia: Ashtoreth and Baal
Egypt: Isis and Horus
India: Isi and Iswara
China: Shing-moo and son
Greece: Irene and Plutus
Italy: Fortuna and Jupitor
Itally: Venus and Adurnis

“which is what separates us”? I think not.

1,489 posted on 11/09/2011 5:53:13 AM PST by CynicalBear
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