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Reformation Day – and What Led Me To Back to Catholicism
The Catholic Thing ^ | 10/28/11 | Francis J. Beckwith

Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: Natural Law; TexConfederate1861
The month of May was sacred to her Diana at Ephesus. What month is the month dedicated to Mary?

Acts 19:27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

Craft? What craft? How about all the trinkets and necklaces (Rosary) dedicated to the goddess Diana. Just do a little research on the image of the Ephesian Diana.

Revelation 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Daniel 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

It’s no coincidence that the veneration of Mary as the “queen of heaven” started in Ephesus. God calls it an abomination.

902 posted on 11/05/2011 2:23:11 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: metmom

And that is exactly the problem. so many Roman Catholics are not even sure of what the church doctrine is.

I was CONVERTED to Orthodoxy, and studied for the Priesthood, and am very familiar with Catholic Doctrine.


903 posted on 11/05/2011 2:26:12 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: CynicalBear

Veneration as “Queen of Heaven” is strictly a Western Church Tradition. Be careful with Revelation. It is only read in my church once a year. It made it into the canon by ONE vote.
The keys to interpreting it were lost when St. John died.

I would not dare to try personally, because it is way to cryptic.

In the Eastern Church, The Virgin Mary is NEVER depicted without her son in her arms.


904 posted on 11/05/2011 2:31:29 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: TexConfederate1861
"What you seem to fail to realize is that many of us who you label as *you Protestants* were RAISED as baptized Catholics in the RCC and have had varying degrees of Catholic upbringing and do know what we are talking about."

But of those who proclaim that they were once Catholic we very little of knowledge or understanding of Catholic doctrine or history displayed in their posting histories that we would expect to see of junior high Catechumens. We can only conclude that they are either incredibly obtuse or lying about their pasts.

"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?" - Matthew 7:16

905 posted on 11/05/2011 2:34:43 PM PDT by Natural Law (Transubstantiation - Change we can believe in.)
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To: TexConfederate1861; CynicalBear
Yes, be very careful with Revelation...a person may stumble upon Rev. 17 and 18, and see the Catholic Church there...

"The keys to interpreting it were lost when St. John died."??? SO, the Catholic Church has the keys to the kingdom, but not the keys to unlock THE Book that shows the reader the things that are going to happen to bring that Kingdom in?

"Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the saying of the prophecy of this book." Rev. 22:7.

"And he saith unto me,(John), SEAL NOT the saying of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand." Rev. 22:10.

The truths of Revelation were to be understood and kept by all, therefore, they are NOT "hidden truths". They are simple and clear to all who will believe them, but hidden from them who refuse to believe...see (2 Cor. 4:4).

906 posted on 11/05/2011 2:47:50 PM PDT by smvoice (Who the *#@! is Ivo of Chatre & why am I being accused of not linking to his quote?)
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To: TexConfederate1861; metmom
And that is exactly the problem. so many Roman Catholics are not even sure of what the church doctrine is.

I was born and raised RC,,private catholic schools and college.. at the time I left the church I lectored, played in the folk group, served on the liturgy committee, taught CCD,and gave 'talks" on womens retreats ...

I know what Catholic Doctrine is.. and I know it is apostate ...I know that Catholics do not even know what the gospel is.. the very foundation of Christianity and they are clueless..

907 posted on 11/05/2011 2:48:41 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Natural Law; TexConfederate1861; metmom; CynicalBear
"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?"

Sometimes you don't even need to see the fruit. The compost is enough to let you know something is steaming around you..LOTS of steaming compost yielding 2000 years of rotten fruit and flies. Perhaps those who have come out of her just got tired of smelling the rot all around.

908 posted on 11/05/2011 3:01:41 PM PDT by smvoice (Who the *#@! is Ivo of Chatre & why am I being accused of not linking to his quote?)
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To: TexConfederate1861
>> In the Eastern Church, The Virgin Mary is NEVER depicted without her son in her arms.<<

Of course not. Check out Indrani, the wife of the Indian god Indra. Then check out the goddess mother and son in Babylon.

In Egypt, the Mother and the Child were worshipped under the names of Isis and Osiris. In India Isi and Iswara; in Asia Cybele and Deoius; in Pagan Rome, as Fortuna and Jupiter-puer, or Jupiter, the boy; in Greece, as Ceres, the Great Mother, with the babe at her breast, or as Irene, the goddess of Peace, with the boy Plutus in her arms.

The worship of mother and child originated in Babylon.

909 posted on 11/05/2011 3:05:09 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: RnMomof7
"I was born and raised RC,,private catholic schools and college.. at the time I left the church I lectored, played in the folk group, served on the liturgy committee, taught CCD,and gave 'talks" on womens retreats ..."

Sure couldn't tell it from the error rate in your posts.

910 posted on 11/05/2011 3:05:49 PM PDT by Natural Law (Transubstantiation - Change we can believe in.)
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To: CynicalBear; Religion Moderator
"The worship of mother and child originated in Babylon."

That unattributed cut and paste (http://aletheia.consultronix.com/7.html) might have some relevance if Catholics actually worshiped Mary.

911 posted on 11/05/2011 3:32:41 PM PDT by Natural Law (Transubstantiation - Change we can believe in.)
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To: CynicalBear; TexConfederate1861; metmom; RnMomof7

From the moment in Gen. 3:15, that God said He would put enmity between Satan and the woman, and between his seed and her seed, Satan has known there would be a woman who would bring forth a son to bruise his head. That he would be utterly crushed and eternally defeated. With that in mind, is it any wonder that Satan, as the imitator of God, would set about to have a satanic woman who gives birth to a son and causes all who are deceived to worship Satan through that mother and son? Hence, Babylon, Nimrod, Ishtar, etc. etc. throughout history. The plan was hatched in Gen. 3 and continues to this day. Different names, plan the same.


912 posted on 11/05/2011 3:36:37 PM PDT by smvoice (Who the *#@! is Ivo of Chatre & why am I being accused of not linking to his quote?)
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To: CynicalBear

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.


913 posted on 11/05/2011 3:40:20 PM PDT by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: CynicalBear

Source?


914 posted on 11/05/2011 3:49:16 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: smvoice

Horse Hockey. and Heresy.


915 posted on 11/05/2011 3:56:45 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: narses

Looks like even Mary would have denounced the veneration of her doesn’t it? I’m sure she was familiar with the pagan practices and would have been mortified to see what the RCC has done.


916 posted on 11/05/2011 3:57:07 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

I think this has gone about as far as I want it to go.
Anyone who chooses to defame or spout heresy insulting the Blessed Virgin Mary, will no longer get a response from me.


917 posted on 11/05/2011 4:01:10 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: smvoice

And the more one studies the connections that the worship of Mary has with pagan practices the more obvious it becomes. The direct ties to Ephesus and Diana are telling.


918 posted on 11/05/2011 4:01:16 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: RnMomof7

Oh yea? Well I have been around RC’s like that all my life. Just because one is raised in the Church doesn’t mean you truly understand the theology. I was raised Protestant, and God in his mercy brought me to the True Church.

Frankly, I don’t give any apostate from the faith much credibility.


919 posted on 11/05/2011 4:04:38 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: Natural Law; Religion Moderator

I had never been to that site before. Interesting site tho. Your accusation is indicative of the weak defense you have.


920 posted on 11/05/2011 4:04:45 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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