Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley
I've never claimed that it was centered in Rome.
Posting scripture is outrage? Oh my.
I wouldnt expect to see the Pope handling Adders anytime soon.
You are incapable of knowing that because you don't KNOW us. You know a screen name on an internet forum.
It's elementary, my dear metmom.
Besides, posting Scripture is not *outrage*. That is our defense, the Word of God, which is the sword of the Spirit.
Uh huh. It's quite entertaining when you guys combine a random verse generator with a random meaning generator. Not sure that it qualifies as a sword. And you have taught me yet another Reformational output here - that Jesus is the sword of the Spirit. Where does Scripture say that Jesus the sword of the Spirit?
And we know to whom He gave the keys...
Attempting to angrily refute the words of Jesus with the words of one of His bishops indicates it.
Rowan Atkinson is Church of England.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Is your reading comprehension really that bad? Or are you really that staggeringly ignorant of Scripture?
FWIW, since when to paragraphs of Scripture count as *random verse generator*? Of course, if that's the best you can do to refute Scripture, it shows the weakness of your position.
Or does the Catholic church have classes in twisting others words and misrepresenting them?
Post 1633 to which you responded......"That is our defense, the Word of God, which is the sword of the Spirit. "
Ephesians 6:10-20 10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. 12For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
13Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. 14Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. 16In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; 17and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, 18praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication.
To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints, 19and also for me, that words may be given to me in opening my mouth boldly to proclaim the mystery of the gospel, 20for which I am an ambassador in chains, that I may declare it boldly, as I ought to speak.
How do you know that there's anger behind the refutation?
Are you assuming or projecting?
Nobody in the NT ever referred to themselves as *bishops*. Paul rightly called himself an apostle.
Thanks for the reply, Alex, but the netnanny will not let it through the firewall. Appreciate the effort. I’m sure that it was worthy.
Salvation has ALWAYS been by faith.
It's a matter of how that faith is expressed and how God deals with mankind under the different covenants, otherwise known as dispensations.
Works are always the outcome of faith. Under the old covenant, people were judged by those works as to whether their faith was real saving faith or not because Jesus hadn't come.
Under the new covenant, people are judged by their faith in the revealed Redeemer, their response to Jesus.
Galatians 2:15-21 15We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
17But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
21I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Galatians 3:1-29 1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vainif indeed it was in vain? 5Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith 6just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?
7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed." 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." 12But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."
13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for usfor it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree" 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ. 17This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christs, then you are Abrahams offspring, heirs according to promise.
How sad that so many attempt to put themselves under the law.
Was that too random?
Not at all. I see all the scriptures pointing to the grace of God taking us out from under the law and so many insist on going back under the law by claiming personal or corporate actions are needed to secure salvation.
I figured a chapter and a half of unbroken Scripture might not qualify as random, but you never know.
Any accusation is possible in some people’s bid to discredit Scripture.
Amen! As is submission to Jesus Christ who is LORD. That means every area of our lives - acts, thoughts, intents - and SHOULD be evidence of the kind of faith we really have. I'm sure we have all known people that put on their "holy" costume for "church" each Sunday, but as soon as they get home, the mask is removed and God is the last thing on their minds for the rest of the week. God desires a "broken and contrite" heart. What does he require of us? "He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. (Micah 6:8)
Going through the motions does not fool God. Raising hands, singing hymns, giving money, closing our eyes during prayer, even kneeling, cannot be the sole evidence of a submitted to the Lord Christian. God sees the heart and, as I said, it is what is within the heart of us that counts.
No one desires to discredit anything. After all, it was OUR bishops and clergy that established the canon of scripture in the first place. PROTESTANTS love to take OUR Bible, and spout their interpretation of it, yet won’t accept anything else, all in the name of POPERY PHOBIA!!! St. John Chrysostom did the first interpretation of the scriptures. The Orthodox Study Bible by Thomas Nelson. (NKJV) has that interpretation. Try checking it out sometime. You might learn something new!
Faith without works is DEAD.
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