Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley
“born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, only begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly......” etc.
The Mother of God gave birth to ALL of the Godhead, because it was inseparable.
The accusation was based on your posts.
Since you dispute the title given to The Virgin Mary, of THEOTOKOS.
By the anathemas given, you label yourself a Nestorian, not I.
God has no mother.
He did when he chose to be born on this earth. As I said, you condemn yourself, not I.
Information to all on Sacred and Holy Tradition:
“For guidance in questions of faith, for the correct understanding of Sacred Scripture, and in order to distinguish the authentic Tradition of the Church from false teachings, we appeal to the works of the holy Fathers of the Church, acknowledging that the unanimous agreement of all of the Fathers and teachers of the Church in teaching of the Faith is an undoubted sign of truth. The holy Fathers stood for the truth, fearing neither threats nor persecutions nor death itself. The Patristic explanations of the truths of the Faith 1) gave precision to the expression of the truths of Christian teaching and created a unity of dogmatic language; 2) added testimonies of these truths from Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, and also brought forth for them arguments based on reason. In theology, attention is also given to certain private opinions of the holy Fathers or teachers of the Church on questions which have not been precisely defined and accepted by the whole Church. However, these opinions are not to be confused with dogmas, in the precise meaning of the word. There are some private opinions of certain Fathers and teachers which are not recognized as being in agreement with the general catholic faith of the Church, and are not accepted as a guide to faith.”
Thanks Brother....
It is my pleasure to enlighten anyone who has the eyes to see!
Most of our protestant friends don’t have a clue! :)
Wow. This thread’s still going on? Amazing.
LOL Condemn? Mary has nothing to do with salvation.
No. other than giving birth to the Godhead.
You condemn yourself as a Nestorian.
Yes indeed. A chance to educate Protestants about the faith is always a blessing!
Only in your churchianity.
Are they going to break with the official position of the CC or remain in agreement with it?
Neither and both....they most likely will have one foot on one side and the other.......when between a rock and a hard place.....
Every day they are asked.....whom do you serve....Christ or Rome...and every day they say both...that will not cut it when Jesus confronts them.
Yes, and unfortunately many have no appreciation for the history and traditions of the Church.
And, I think, less appreciation for the Incarnation. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us... born of a woman.
How simple and yet the world was changed forever.
Yet, for all its simplicity, there were the long struggles against heresy, the necessary delineation of theology... the creeds... the martyrs all together as is so necessary for us as Church to be here two thousand years on.
The older I get the less I understand why some needlessly try to go it alone or with the Church’s book alone? And end up in such twisted binds and confusion: Jesus is God; St. Mary is His Mother, but St. Mary is not the Mother of God. Or St. Mary must have given birth to a “nature” or one nature, but not another, unlike all other mothers who give birth to persons not natures. How some try to make the Incarnation not so simple; not the Word became flesh, born of a woman.
All the possible heresies we see now, the Church dealt with centuries ago. Simply. As Our Saviour taught and the Apostles and their successors maintained: the Catholic faith, One, Holy and Apostolic, as Jesus established Her, the pillar and foundation.... So beautiful in His wisdom, so loved, healed and cared for by His Church.
It seems such an unnecessary loss and a sad decision to separate one’s self from Her, to rebel against His Church.
I’m glad you are here and thank you for your reply.
Just so I know where you stand on this subject, are you saying that the verse in Scripture that speaks of every knee bowing and every tongue confessing Jesus Christ as Lord to the glory of God the Father is talking about kneeling during church services? It sure sounds like that is how you “interpret” it since you brought up your observation that “Protestants” don’t kneel.
That reminds me of a joke:
A man decides to go with his wife to Mass one summer Sunday. As they settle into their pew, he turns and asks her how he’ll know what to do. She tells him not to worry, just follow what everyone else does.
They stand. Then sit. Then stand. Then walk around a little greeting each other. Then kneel. Then stand. Then sit. Then kneel. Then sit. He gets a little sweaty and takes his handkerchief out and wipes his face and then lays it across his lap to dry out a little. His wife looks over and says, “Is your fly open?”, to which he answers, “No. Is it supposed to be?” ;o)
I just asked Mom, and she said the first Roman Catholic Church she attended when we moved here didn’t even HAVE kneeling benches.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Words to live by:)
Thanks for the kind words.
I’m warn you, I am a lost cause, CB.
It’s not your fault, you are butting up against a profound conversion of heart. It was such that my faith cannot be shaken.
But, I admit to having learned a great deal from our conversations, though it might not be what you were hoping I would.
Every parish in my diocese has hands joined and raised during the Our Father, but we don't have any snake handling.
LOL, your tag line made me think of the old commercial for Sure deodorant.
Raise you hands if you’re sure. You feel confident and secure.
That’s how I feel as a Catholic.
Ah, just being silly, it’s been a long day.
Had to go through the “Virtus” lesson with my confirmation kids.
Have to say, I had their attention. LOL
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